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Monday, September 24, 2007

WPA’s Cy Young

By Tangotiger, 03:32 PM

The same pitcher will have a different effectiveness as a starter or reliever.  Essentially, as a starter, he’s pitching with one hand tied behind his back.  You can’t just compare the relief stats to a starter without making an adjustment.  And that adjustment is roughly .090 wins per game (or 9 innings, or .01 win per inning).

Therefore, when you look at WPA, add .01 win per inning as a starter, to compare to a reliever.  The leaders in starter WPA (with IP in parens) are:


Peavy +5.0 (210 IP)
Carmona +4.4 (208)
Bedard +3.9 (182)
CC +3.5 (234)
Halladay +3.5 (218)
Beckett +3.3 (195)
Webb +3.1 (229)

With the starter/relief adjustment, Peavy comes in as +7.1 wins, Carmona is +6.5 wins, and so on.  The leader among relievers is Putz at +5.7 wins.  He’s in the conversation, but he’s not the standout his unadjusted stats have him at.

There are other adjustments to make, namely:
- park
- replacement level
- the Guy adjustment-leverage method

All of these will serve to knock Putz down a peg so that he’s just below the above list of starters, and no longer with them. 

In the AL, you can make a reasonable claim for just about anyone.

Peavy is an odd case.  His career ERA is 20% lower at home than on the road, pretty much reflecting the typical pitcher at Petco (i.e., we don’t think he has an extra discount or premium because of his park).  But, he’s had 19 starts at home, 13 on the road, meaning he’s gotten an even more favorable setting than a pitcher at Petco.  (It doesn’t matter that his 2007 road ERA is so much better… it simply means he sucked, relatively speaking, at home this year.) Even with the park advantage, Peavy is still the standout.

#1    studes      (see all posts) 2007/09/24 (Mon) @ 18:09

Not even relatively.  Peavy’s road ERA is 2.13; his home ERA is 2.51.  One of the split oddities of the year.


#2    A      (see all posts) 2007/09/25 (Tue) @ 10:35

Are we really supposed to care about a stat that has Todd Helton as the Rockies’ MVP?


#3    tangotiger      (see all posts) 2007/09/25 (Tue) @ 11:44

WPA is not MVP.  It’s one component.  If you are a reader of this blog, you’d know that fielding and position are critical, and replacement level and running is important. 

Here’s the Rox page:
http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Rockies&season=2007

If you click on Helton, you’ll see his WPA/LI is +3.55 wins, and he get +0.70 wins in clutch (and another +0.20 wins because he was lucky to have had so many clutch opps).

Holiday is +5.2 wins in WPA/LI, which is sensational, but he’s at -1.3 clutch wins.

There is a full 2 win gap between the two players in terms of clutch.  If you disregard the clutch aspect, Holiday is +1.65 wins ahead of Helton.

Put simply, alot of Holiday’s numbers are “empty”, coming when the outcome of the game was not much up for grabs, unlike Helton.

Fielding/position-wise, they are close, with an edge to Helton.

You can also argue for Tulo.

The entire argument for Helton as MVP of the Rox is how much stock you put in how important it was that he hit when his team needed him, and how poorly (relatively speaking) Holliday did when his team needed him.

The problem is not WPA.  It simply represents one definition of wins.  If you don’t like it, blame the definition, don’t blame WPA.


#4    tangotiger      (see all posts) 2007/09/25 (Tue) @ 11:54

How bad was Holliday?

Click here:
http://www.fangraphs.com/statsp.aspx?playerid=1873&position=OF&season=

Click on “LI” (twice), so that it sorts in descending order.

Holliday had 27 PA with an LI of at least 3.0, which is very high pressure.  He reached base 10 times (8 singles, 1 double, ZERO HR, 1 walks), a .370 OBP and .385 SLG, with SIX GIDP.  SIX!  22 times there was a runner on 1B with a high-pressure situation, and he grounds out six times into a DP (league average would be around 2.5).


#5    tangotiger      (see all posts) 2007/09/25 (Tue) @ 11:58

Oops, make that 17 times with a runner on 1B, and less than 2 outs (the 22 includes with 2 outs).  So, an average hitter would have GIDP just twice.  He did it 6 times.


#6    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2007/10/02 (Tue) @ 16:32

Well, Holliday redeemed himself alot.  Goes to show how much 1 game can change things.  He ends up leading the team in WPA (though he still was an overall choke hitter, last night notwithstanding).

Tulo on the other hand was clutch all year.  (What a ballsy play to “steal” 2B off the CF.) In WPA, Tulo was 2.2 wins behind Holliday for the season.  A combination of position and fielding talent is enough to put Tulo ahead of Holliday, and be the player to have impacted his team’s wins the most.

Too bad there’s no RBI for fielders.


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