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Tuesday, January 09, 2007

Will Jim Rice Make the Hall Of Fame?

By Tangotiger, 04:53 PM

Here’s what I did:


Year, Years On Ballot, Votes
2006 12 65%
2005 11 59%
2004 10 55%
2003 9 52%
2002 8 55%
2001 7 58%
2000 6 51%
1999 5 29%
1998 4 43%
1997 3 38%
1996 2 35%
1995 1 30%

This year, Rice got 63% of the vote. 

Everything that follows will only look at what happens with the BBWAA in control.

Let’s look at year 6, which is when he got 51% of the vote.  Every player who received at least 45% of the vote in their 6th year made the HOF… except the still eligible Dawson (this year at 57%), Gossage (55%), Gil Hodges (54%) and then Rice. 

How about in year 7?  Every player who received at least 48% of the vote has managed to eventually get in… except Gossage (65%) and Rice (58%), and Hodges (52%).

In year 8, every player who received at least 44% of the vote has managed to eventually get in...except Gossage (this year, 71%), Gil Hodges (60%), Rice (55%), Blylven (53%), Jim Bunning (50%).

In year 9, 50% is the cutoff point, and above that is Hodges(58%), Bunning (54%), Rice (52%).  Drawing that line is Bruce Sutter at 50%.  You can make the case to instead draw the line at Ralph Kiner’s 59%, and I’d agree.  At this point, Rice is losing ground.

In year 10: the real cutoff is Bill Terry’s 66%.  After that, you have Bunning (65.6%), Hodges (59%), Rice (55%) of guys who are not in the HOF.  The optimist will look at the next player, Bruce Sutter, with 54% of the vote in year 10, and eventually making it in.

Year 11: Bunning got 70% of the vote, and he didn’t get in.  Then it’s rice at 59%.  Sutter however also got 59% and he did get in.

Year 12.  Jim Bunning (74%), and didn’t get in. Slaughter 69% and didn’t get in.  Sutter 67% and did get in.  Rice at 65%.

This year, Rice lost a step.  It was his year 13.  Bruce Sutter made it on his 13th year.  Slaughter at 69% and didn’t make it.  Bunning at 63% and didn’t make it.

Who made it in their 14th or 15th year?  Three guys made it in the 50s, but that had more to do with the rules at the time.  Otherwise, no one since 1955 made it in his 14th year, and no one at all has ever made it in his 15th year.

Goose Gossage will make it.  Andre Dawson will probably make it.  Jim Rice will not.  Not with the BBWAA anyway.

#1    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2007/01/09 (Tue) @ 17:56

Oh, and I wish someone would change the rules.  It’s ridiculous that Dwight Evans and Keith Hernandez, among others, are not on the ballot every year.

The silly rules make it that at least 5% of voters THIS YEAR must agree that he is a HOF for the other 95% of voters NEXT YEAR to change their minds.

How about if I’m a writer, and I want to decide for myself if I want to change my mind?  The change in rules I propose is simple.  Have an accompanying ballot that says “I don’t want to see his name on the ballot ever again”.  If you get at least 25% “absolutely never” votes, you take him off the ballot.  (Or, if you want to have a good ballot, make it 50%.) Otherwise, he remains on the ballot.

At least this way, the really good players, like Orel Hershiser and Eric Davis can live on for a few years.  Hershiser was a great pitcher until he turned 30, and Eric Davis had his share of injuries.  How many writers would say “absolutely never” to Hershiser?  He’s a “he was good, but I don’t think good enough” candidate.  He’s a guy that you’d like to consider again.


#2    Guy      (see all posts) 2007/01/10 (Wed) @ 14:07

I agree that it doesn’t look like Rice is now on a successful trajectory.  But Joe Sheehan thinks Rice will make the Hall, probably in 2009:  http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5801. His conclusion is based on the weak field of new candidates over the next three years, a factor that your analysis doesn’t—and the voters really shouldn’t—take into account.  He may be right—the writers aren’t likely to let a year pass without electing anyone.

Tango:  I think you’ll like the strong case he makes for Raines, who he expects to be badly shortchanged by the writers .....


#3    tangotiger      (see all posts) 2007/01/11 (Thu) @ 11:33

A comparison of Dewey and Rice:
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2007/01/mixed_up_sox.php

And my comments, which I repost here:

Dewey was in three all-star games, and Rice was in 8. If I remember right, Dewey had many seasons where his second-half was better than his first-half. And, managers love those first-half stats.

As well, Rice’s peak coincided with Fenway’s peak as a hitter’s park. Fenway was no more friendly a hitter’s park than the mid-to-late 70s. That is, for whatever reason, alot more runs were scored in Redsox games at Fenway than Redsox games away from Fenway. This only makes sense if:
(a) something about the park changed, or
(b) the players who played in Fenway those years were very unrepresentative than in other Fenway years
(c) pure luck

Finally, Jim Rice spent most of his career as a #3/#4 hitter. Dewey hit in every spot in the order, mostly second and 6th. But also a healthy number of 7-9 games.

Next year, we’ll figure out if Dewey retains the title of nonpitcher most deserving of the HOF, or if that title will pass on to Tim Raines.


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