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Friday, June 19, 2009

Why things are not always exactly as they seem and an amusing broadcasting comment…

By , 11:49 PM

First the broadcasting comment:

I was watching the ATL/PIT 16 inning (or however long it was) game the other day.  Late in the game (extra innings), every time the HP umpire called a marginal strike, one of the announcers (I forget who) would say something like (you often hear the same thing in a similar circumstance):

“Well, they (the umpires) have been out here for 6 hours already.  You’d better be swinging the bat.” They are implying of course, that the umpires want to go home, and understandably so.

What is (glaringly) wrong with that statement and logic?

OK, things that are not always exactly as they seem…

In a couple of pitch f/x articles, it has been shown that the high inside fastball or just the inside fastball is a very good pitch, if you throw hard that is.  In fact, the more speed on the pitch, the better the inside pitch is.  Even an inside breaking pitch is a good pitch I think (according to the pitch f/x data), probably because it surprises the batter, especially the same-side batter who is likely bailing out unless he is definitely expecting that exact pitch.  Anyway, with regard to the inside fastball, you also often hear commentators wax about how pitchers don’t like to pitch inside anymore or that so-and-so does not like to pitch inside (and that it is a bad thing).

My second question (this is like a dual question of the day) is:

Even though the inside or high inside pitch may be a very good pitch when you look at it through the lens of the pitch f/x data, why might it be a bad pitch in reality?  And let’s forget about the fact that most, or at least some, pitchers have to mix up their locations in order to keep the batter from keying in on a certain location or locations.


#1    Colin Wyers      (see all posts) 2009/06/20 (Sat) @ 00:06

In a tied game in extra innings, the only way anyone gets to go home is to score a run. Calling borderline pitches a strike instead of a ball reduces the chance this occurs. If an ump wants to get home sooner, he needs to call a strike zone more favorable to the hitter, not the pitcher.


#2    MGL      (see all posts) 2009/06/20 (Sat) @ 07:27

Yes (#1), that is what is so funny.  This is a prime example of TV commentators saying stupid things that if they thought about for more than a millisecond, they might actually realize is stupid.

Before someone says, “Well, if it will make the batter swing more, they might get more hits or HRs to hasten the game,” while that may be marginally true, obviously you will score fewer runs if the umpire is calling a larger zone and not more runs.  You will also hit less HR and get fewer hits because you will be in pitcher’s counts more, the pitcher will pitch out of the stretch less often, and you will be forced to swing at bad pitches less often.

Now, if the visiting team scores in the top of an inning, then it is a different story of course…


#3    Craig in MN      (see all posts) 2009/06/20 (Sat) @ 08:00

While the logic is faulty, perhaps the umps are using the same logic.  I wouldn’t be surprised if you did a poll of umps that you’d find that they have one “get the game moving” tactic that they use for get-away-day blowouts and they unthinkingly use the same tactic for extra-inning marathons that they want to get moving.

Also, by being more lenient with the strike zone, maybe umpires think they might not have to endure as many pitching changes or long at bats, which might be the particular parts of the game that get to them after 6 hours.  Those probably aren’t true either, but at least they’d have a reasonable plan to make the game more palatable to themselves.


#4    Nick      (see all posts) 2009/06/20 (Sat) @ 08:37

To be fair, those announcers in question had to talk about baseball for 4-5 straight hours (actually I would love to do that).  They are likely just getting tired and saying the first thing that comes to mind.  Even if what they said is illogical and hasty, you shouldn’t be so hard on them in this instance.


#5    Colin Wyers      (see all posts) 2009/06/20 (Sat) @ 10:05

Well let’s check. Unintentional walks per PA in extras, 2001-2008: 0.082

Unintentional walks per PA in regulation, 2001-2008: 0.078

Now that’s not the only factor at work here, but it certainly doesn’t look like umps are doing what is suggested here.

Let’s narrow it down to visiting teams only:

INN BB_RT K_RT
EXTRA 0.0788 0.1820
REG 0.0753 0.1739

Again, I’m not seeing it.


#6    MGL      (see all posts) 2009/06/20 (Sat) @ 13:23

Colin, I don’t doubt that umps call the game pretty much the same in extras as they do in regulation.  That didn’t even occur to me.  I watch enough games to realize that umps are professional and are not going to make a mockery of the game just so they can go home (or whatever they might think they are doing).

However, as I am sure you know, if you want to “evaluate” umps, you can’t just compare stats in regulation and extras, as the pool of batters and pitchers is different, not to mention the fact that the batters and pitchers themselves might be doing different things in extras.

Nick, “to be fair?” Are you kidding?  If I made a list of illogical, stupid, and incorrect things that TV commentators say during every broadcast from inning one to inning last, that list would be mighty long.

I just thought it was funny when I was watching that game.  Both my friend and I said, “How is that (calling more strikes) going to speed up the game?  It is tied!  Someone has to score!  Maybe the umps can call every pitch a ball until a run scores on a walk!”


#7    Nick      (see all posts) 2009/06/21 (Sun) @ 02:18

You’re right MGL.  I don’t know why I said that.  I have to deal with Al Hrabosky every night saying that it’s bad for Colby Rasmus to hit homers for some reason.  So I understand how stupid announcers can be. 

I guess I just don’t like ripping on announcers for making the same mistakes that most people do.  Especially as they really aren’t supposed to provide analytical insight; they are just supposed to keep the game more enjoyable to watch.

Still, you’re right that this is a pretty funny misconception.


#8    King Yao      (see all posts) 2009/06/21 (Sun) @ 08:53

#3 Craig mentioned the “get the moving” tactic that they (umps) use for get-away-day blowouts” ... is there really a difference in how umps call games and/or how teams play in get-away-day blowouts versus normal-day blowouts?  To use an example, lets say it is a Tuesday, 2nd game of a 3-game series, and the score is the home team up 6-0 after 6 innings.  Now compare this to a Wednesday day agme, last game of a 3-game series and keep everything exactly the same - same pitchers, teams, score, situation, umps, stadiums, fans, weather, etc. etc. 

The claim (not necessarily by Craig, but what I have surmised others, including broadacasters and players to say from time to time) seems to be that the Wednesday get-away-game would have a speedier last 3 innings, more strikes called and fewer runs scores than the Tuesday game.  But I have a hard time believing this is true without any data.  So, anyone got data?


#9    MGL      (see all posts) 2009/06/21 (Sun) @ 12:25

King, I doubt that it is true, and if it is, it is probably de minimus with little effect on run scoring.  An umpire is just not going to be “unprofessional” by calling obvious balls strikes.  I think that the umpire also realizes that unless he calls a ridiculous strike zone, which he won’t, he is not going to have much effect on the time of game.  Maybe subconsciously they call slightly more strikes when everyone wants to go home, but even then, I doubt it has a significant effect on run scoring.


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