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Wednesday, March 19, 2008

When Lawyers rule MLB…

By Tangotiger, 09:30 AM

...this is what happens. 

“You see, Mrs. Longoria, there’s this rule called the Super 2s, whose impetus can be traced back to Roger Clemens and Peter Ueberroth.  Roger was 30 days short of the 3 years vesting for arbitration.  Now, vesting happens at around 2 years and 120ish days (depends on how other players were called up that year).  Ryan Braun is at 129 days, so it’s going to be real close.  And the Rays are not new to playing this game.  BJ Upton has 1 year and 126 days and Jamie Shields has 1 year and 125 days.

So, these lawyers are trying to game the system, and trying to force vesting for these players at 3 years and 120 days.  Could we fix that?  Well, sure, we can include an age-based cutoff, and the player vests when either one occurs first. 

What’s that, what if your boy is one day short of vesting by playing time, and one day short by birth?  That’s why Tango doesn’t like tiered approach in anything (be it in arbitration or mortgage insurance or anything else), since that’s how lawyers game the system.  You can have a sliding scale, so that one guy can be say 80% vested, and gets 80% of the arb value, and 20% of the slave value.  No tiering, no gaming, no lawyers. 

What’s that?  No, this will never happen, because MLB and MLBPA will always throw the young kids under the bus, reasoning that those good enough will eventually get their due. 

Now, let me go talk to John Tavares’ mom, and tell her that she should have conceived her son a week earlier.  He’s already overqualified for his Junior hockey league, and he must now stay there an extra year, or go to Europe.  The NHL doesn’t want him!  A sliding scale system would have allowed a player like this to be drafted in an early round, like I’ve already posted about.”


#1    David Pinto      (see all posts) 2008/03/19 (Wed) @ 11:22

Or just make everyone at every level free agents when their contracts run out.


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/03/19 (Wed) @ 11:32

The NHL and NBA have it better, for sure.  I think the NBA has free agency after 4 years? 

The NHL has 7 years or age 27, whichever comes first.  The NHL’s system makes it so that teams are signing their young stars to long-term contracts.  Basically, a better balance than what MLB does.

I don’t see any reason that MLB can’t grant free agency based on an age.  That would certainly act as a deterrant to the lawyer-shenanigans going on.


#3    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/03/19 (Wed) @ 11:35

Oh, and the NHL has restricted free agency after 3 years: teams have right to match.  That’s why teams are signing their young players: they don’t want to chance another team making an offer too outlandish (even though the price for that is a bevy of draft picks).  Tulo and Braun for example, would be signed by the Redsox and Yankees after 3 years.  The NHL has payroll caps, so it would stop a team from cornering the market.


#4    tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/03/19 (Wed) @ 19:14

I should note that a year of service is 172 days.  So, there’s no way that Longoria will start the season if the Rays management is really gaming the system.  At the very least, look for a mid-April callup (so he has only 171 days).

But, if Rays management will field their best team, and if they think that includes Longoria, then he should start.

Will be interesting to see what they do…


#5    tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/03/26 (Wed) @ 11:02

Longoria demoted.  Longoria will not come up prior to Apr 13 or so.  He will get a maximum of 171 days of service, which means that, as far as free agency is concerned, being called up mid-April or mid-September is the same thing.

If they can, they’ll wait until mid-June, to just miss being a Super2.

Ahhh… when Lawyers Rule MLB. 

Hey, Selig: I still haven’t forgotten how you prevented Omar from bringing guys up in September, and the lie you fabricated that the Expos were out of it by then.

I don’t care that they necesssarily do these things… just don’t be a deceiver about it.  Dupuy should say the testing of balls means almost nothing, Selig should say that the Expos were being thrown under the bus, and the Rays should say that they don’t want Longoria (or any Rays player for that matter), to accrue 172 service days in their first year.


#6    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/04/12 (Sat) @ 08:10

Longoria has been called up apparently! Can you believe this?  Can someone look at the schedule, and tell me exactly how many days of service he will have?  I can guarantee you it will be less than 172 days.

Wow.  What a brazen way to work on the Rays part.  I don’t blame them, but wow.

The players agreed to this ridiculous system.


#7    Anthony      (see all posts) 2008/04/12 (Sat) @ 12:08

In the BTF thread, they say he’ll miss by two days.


#8    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/05/28 (Wed) @ 09:43

Well, now we can add Jay Bruce to the list of “almost” Super 2s.  Upton, Shields, Braun, Bruce… the list is never-ending.

***

Hello, MLBPA?  Is anyone home?  Why do you let players be treated so obviously like cattle?  Don’t give me any justification as a lawyer would do.  Just admit that you have a huge hole here, a biased condition that is being exploited and leveraged by some teams to the detriment of the players.  The first step to rehabilitation is to admit you screwed up (or in this case, screwed your players).  Don’t say a word until you admit this.

Your silence is deafening.


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