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Monday, January 25, 2010

What the Pirates owner is saying

By Tangotiger, 03:39 PM

If I’m following along from this great exchange:

Q: I understand that the opening-day payroll figure can increase as the season goes along but, at the same time, it’s probably going to end up down from the $48 million of last year.

What went into your thinking?

A: First of all, I think it’s never going to be about the total dollars we spend as much as how effectively we put them to use.

Part of the reason for the payroll level is that we have young players, and it is normal, expected and natural that, as those players mature, those dollars are going to have to come up. That certainly is my expectation.

But I think we’ve shown good discipline in building this 2010 team, in that there is lots of flexibility that Neal still has. He’s building the team that he thinks will perform best for the coming year but also can still succeed going forward.

Q: So, Neal can spend more than what we see right now?

A: Absolutely.

Q: Why not, some might say, just take some heat off yourself and have a $50 million-$55 million payroll?

A: Well, what I really believe is that we’ve put in place an orderly, systematic plan, and the last thing we can do is divert from that plan or change it, as I’ve seen done before in Pittsburgh and with other clubs. I believe that the decisions being made are giving the team the best opportunity to compete this year, as well as going forward. I don’t want to do anything that handicaps that.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10025/1030840-63.stm#ixzz0deezXCrx

He’s saying that every dollar spent has to have a positive ROI.  The Pirates could, for example, spend an extra 20MM$ on payroll by acquiring 20MM$ worth of free agents for a price tag of 20MM$.  Instead, he’d prefer paying 20MM$ for 30MM$ of non-free agent talent.  I agree with him.  Therefore, the focus should not be on the payroll budget itself, but rather on the entire baseball operations budget.

And, if Huntington has extra money left over, is the Pirates owner letting the GM roll that money over into the following season, or is it the classic use-it or lose-it budget setup?


#1          (see all posts) 2010/01/25 (Mon) @ 17:55

I’m still waiting for someone to explicitly state: We had X budgeted for payroll and we’re 20 mil under that.  We’re not going to spend the 20 mil.  We’re going to put 25% of it on top of our player development budget and draft aggressively, we’re going to add some brilliant new staff/compensate our poorly paid scouts better, and we’re going to set aside a good 65% (13 mil) of that money in investments for use on a future payroll.  So if we get a 6% return that 13 mil is 13.78 mil next year that we can spend ON TOP of what we budget. 

Honestly, that looks like what the Pirates did/are doing.  They’ve changed their draft profile after the Moskos debacle, they hired a new stats guy, and now they’re talking about not wasting their money...presumably with the goal of using it on a worthy piece in the future.


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/01/25 (Mon) @ 18:09

Right, exactly.  But, it has to be explicit like that.


#3          (see all posts) 2010/01/25 (Mon) @ 21:48

Yup. They HAVE changed since the Moskos debacle...but it is much, much too little, much, much to late. They do not get or deserve the benefit of the doubt. All goodwill has been squandered. Days before the Moskos draft, Littlefield was interviewed on the local Sunday afternoon team-sanctioned propaganda show and baldly stated that ownership had placed no budgetary restrictions on who he could draft. He insisted that he was free to take the best talent available. Days later, he was proven to be a liar. For me, that was the final straw.

I can forgive a team that is looking out for the bottom line. I can forgive a team that has a run of bad luck. I can forgive a team that has been an unfortunate victim of incompetence. But I cannot forgive a team that intentionally manipulates it’s fan base.


#4          (see all posts) 2010/01/26 (Tue) @ 10:04

BrianK,
As an Orioles fan, I understand your frustration.  But you--and many other Pirates fans--seem to be forgetting that the people who screwed things up so badly are no longer in charge.  Building a contender takes time, especially when you are starting from a very low base.  The “we have to build a appease the angry fans” mindset is what got the franchise into its sorry state; feeding the beast again won’t help.


#5    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/01/26 (Tue) @ 10:45

When the Mariners brought in a new front office, there was no lingering effects from the fan base.  They showed there was a new sheriff in town.

Are the Pirates fans saying that Huntington and his team have not shown anything close to a change in approach?  That even if he DOES have a change in approach, it’s too nuanced or not direct enough, for the fans to notice (much)?


#6          (see all posts) 2010/01/26 (Tue) @ 11:25

The Mariners are not a fair comparison. The last good Pirate team was 18 years ago (think about it...there are college students who were not yet born when the Pirates last had a competitive team.)

You can say that Huntington has displayed a different approach, but Huntington isn’t the sheriff...Nutting is. The fan base neither trusts nor respects the ownership. Doesn’t really matter what they think of Huntington, the feeling is that even if everything goes well Nutting will pull tight the purse strings when the time comes to take the final step towards contending.

Keep in mind also that the Pirates have a relatively unsophisticated fan base. Pittsburgh is a city with a very old population (not that old fans can’t be sophisticated, but I think it’s not bull$hit to say that IN GENERAL older fans are less likely to read The Book and more likely to read Joe Sportscolumnist.) Worse yet, the Pirates, by virtue of their 18 year run of ineptitude, have a fan base even older than the population. So much of what Huntington does that might please a sophisticated fan such as trading McLouth for prospects or paying overslot money late in the draft, doesn’t register with the fan base.


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