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Thursday, May 01, 2008

The definition of know: What the…?

By , 07:17 PM

Is there something wrong with my reading comprehension skills, or is there something seriously wrong with these two (or one of them, at least) statements, from an AP article:

“We’ve tried to tell everybody all along that Roger said he didn’t know Shaun and that Shaun Kelley said he didn’t know Roger. At the end of the day, we’re going to have confirmed that they didn’t know each other,” Hardin said, according to the report.

Kelley told The Times that Clemens was “an acquaintance,” saying he met him “a couple” of times after initially saying they had met only once.

Or is there some form of the English language I am not familiar with where if you meet someone one or more times, and you consider someone an acquaintance, you can say, that you “don’t know them, and they don’t know you,” AND pass a lie detector test?

I guess the inquiry goes something like this:

Q.  Do you know Roger Clemens?
A. No.

Q.  Does he know you?
A. No.

Q. Wait, we have here in our notes that you said that you met him a few times and that you are acquaintances?
A. That’s right.

Q.  Well, so you know him and he knows you, right?
A.  Well, we “know” each other, but we don’t really “know” each other.  I mean, how much can you really know someone anyway.  Heck, I’ve been married to my wife for 14 years, and sometimes I feel like I barely know her.

Q.  Oh, O.K.  Thank you very much.


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#1    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/05/02 (Fri) @ 07:00

What is is?

Anyway, I “know” Roger Clemens, in that I know that he exists.  I know “about” Roger in that he is a great pitcher.  I don’t “really know” him, since I’ve never met him.  I don’t “really really know” him, since I’ve never talked to him.  And I don’t “really really really know” him, since we do not have a personal relationship.

“Know” is so ambiguous.  Know is knowledge, right?

Life would be easier if lawyers were reporters.


#2    SirKodiak      (see all posts) 2008/05/02 (Fri) @ 13:36

"It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is. If the—if he—if ‘is’ means is and never has been, that is not—that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement”
- William Jefferson Clinton, lawyer


#3    MGL      (see all posts) 2008/05/02 (Fri) @ 17:50

No, seriously, the guy said that he passed a lie detector test in which he told the examiner that he had met Clemens a few times and that they were acquaintances.

Then in the same article, Clemens’ lawyer (who I think is an idiot) says, “My client has been vindicated!  It was proven that he didn’t know Clemens and Clemens and didn’t know him!”

Huh?

As far as I know, the only thing that was “proven” (as much as passing a lie detector test can “prove” - they are REALLY easy to fool) was that this guy did NOT give or sell Clemens any PED’s.  And, there was NEVER any accusation that he did.  Only a suggestion that he might have.


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