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Sunday, October 29, 2006

What happens when sabermetricians become mainstream writers?

By , 01:07 AM

Apparently they completely lose their minds.


A few days or a week or so ago, I was so disturbed at some of the things that Keith Law was writing on ESPN.com Insider that I thought about starting a “keith Law has lost his mind” thread.  I decided against it but after reading his post-game 5 column I can’t contain myself anymore.  To wit:

For Justin Verlander to throw the ball bunted by Jeff Weaver to third base after Joel Zumaya had made the same mistake Tuesday is inexcusable. It’s dumb baseball—as if Verlander wasn’t even there three nights ago. All the jokes about pitchers’ fielding practices are misguided; PFPs teach pitchers to field routine plays, but they can’t make a pitcher make a smart decision.

Zumaya’s mistake was nothing like this play!  Zumaya got a DP ground ball where you normally go to second for the DP and he elected to go to third which is very unusual.  Verlander fielded a bunt and even though cutting down the runner at third with one out is not as important as cutting him down with 0 outs, he simply elected (and was probably instructed by his catcher to do so) to try and cut down the runner at third, which WAS THE CORRECT PLAY and is done all the tine on a less than perfect bunt.  In fact, in this case, Molina, the runner on second, would have been out by a mile, but Verlander happened to have thrown the ball away.  It was 100% the correct play and I don’t think there is a person on the planet who thought anything at all about the decision by Verlander to throw to third.  Except Keith I guess.  Verlander could have just as easily thrown the ball away if he elected to go to first.  In fact, it would have been a longer throw.  I have absolutely no idea what Keith is talking about and I really have to wonder if this guy has ever watched a baseball game before.

Here is another head scratcher in the same article:

Inge deserves even more criticism for one of the biggest baserunning gaffes of the postseason. After doubling with one out in the third, Inge was caught heading for third base after Verlander grounded back to the pitcher. There was no excuse for him to be where he was; at worst, his instructions should have been (and probably were) to stay put until the ball at least passes the pitcher, and probably to stay put on any groundball until it left the infield.

Again, what in the world is this guy talking about?  First of all, when you are on second base, you don’t get “instructed” about anything.  When you are on third base you do.  No one tells you not to try to advance to third until the ball gets by the pitcher.  You learn that in Little League.  But the real kicker in the paragraph above is ...probaboly to stay put on any groundball until it left the infield. Huh?  Has Keith ever played baseball?  Again, has he ever watched a game before in person or on TV?  I mean that rhetorically of course.  Earth to Keith:  You advance to third on any ball hit to your left, not on a ball that goes through the IF.  Even on a ball that is hit to your right, you have the option to advance if you think you can make it some percentage of the time (80%? 90%?).

This is a guy we are supposed to buy Scouting information from? 

#1    TOLAXOR      (see all posts) 2006/10/29 (Sun) @ 05:17

YEAH, HE WAS OVER AT BTF CLAIMING THAT HE “THOUGHT” THAT SUPPAN WAS AT BEST, A 4TH PITCHER ON AN AVERAGE TEAM… WHICH IS FINE, IF YOU CAN SHOW ANY SORT OF QUANTITATIVE ANALYSIS TO SUPPORT IT!!!

HE JUST KIND OF LEFT IT AS, “THAT’S JUST WHAT I THINK” AND DIDN’T ANSWER ANY SORT OF EVIDENCE THAT WAS OFFERED WHICH SUGGESTED OTHERWISE!!!

I GUESS MY PROBLEM IS THAT HE SHOULD KNOW THAT IF HE’S GOING TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT - SOMEBODY THERE IS GOING TO CALL HIM ON IT!!! AND TO JUST GIVE AN OFFHAND REMARK LIKE THAT SEEMS TO BE, WELL, DISRESPECTFUL TO THE COMMUNITY THERE!!!


#2    MGL      (see all posts) 2006/10/29 (Sun) @ 10:27

Quantitatively (using my own metrics for evaluating pitchers), Suppan is a little better than a league average starter.  Where that puts him in an average team’s rotation, I have no idea. Probably #3 I would think.


#3          (see all posts) 2006/10/29 (Sun) @ 21:14

Law’s writing this postseason has been the source of much hilarity.  Some decent insights, and then some howlers like the ones you detailed above, MGL.  He’s not a bad scout, but as an analyst and as a writer he should probably stay in the shallow end.


#4    MGL      (see all posts) 2006/10/30 (Mon) @ 00:35

I’ve never really read much of his stuff.  I tried to get through his last chat transcript tonight, but all the Q&A about music, literature, and food really put me off.  That does not belong in a baseball chat on a baseball site, and I have zero interest in what Keith Law eats, reads, or listens to.


#5          (see all posts) 2006/10/30 (Mon) @ 08:41

I think one reason (certainly not the only one) that mainstream sports journalists are so bad is that they’re usually obligated to write something every single day.  As a result, they end up taking opinions on things they haven’t thought through very well, just because they need some sort of opinion to churn out another article.

When sabermetrics writers go “maintream”, they probably face similar obligations, and as a result they end up saying more dumb things than they otherwise would have.  Whether this applies to Keith Law, I don’t know.


#6    MGL      (see all posts) 2006/10/30 (Mon) @ 11:23

Sure, DFL, I agree.  It is just that what he wrote in the article I originally cited evinvces such a basic lack of understanding of baseball, that it blows me away.  And that is regardless of how much time he had to write the article.  Then again McCarver’s commentating also sometimes evinces a basic lack of understanding of baseball, and he played for umpteen years and seems like an intelligent guy.  Ditto for Joe Buck who has ben broadcasting practically his whole life.  These things never cease to amaze me.


#7          (see all posts) 2006/11/09 (Thu) @ 14:50

I agree with your points 100% regarding written material, and I don’t think he should be compared to real-time announcers, who are bound to make gaffes, just due to time constraints and having to keep the airtime filled. 

Those were both plays of aggression, the defense trying to cut down run expectancy, and the offense trying to put the pressure on the defense.  They didn’t work, but they weren’t bad decisions.  Writing an article ripping them is ridiculous.  Furthermore, I find an odd symmetry to it… since - given normal MLB-level fielding - Molina would have been gunned at 3b, as Inge was. 

In fact, considering the “extra base” decisions… you suggest 80% or 90% to go to 3rd, and that’s possibly what MLB teams use, but when I’m in that situation in a simulation game, I’ll often go with a very low percentage, depending on the game situation.  Sure, it stinks to lose a runner who was in scoring position, but the defense has to choose if they want to gun down your lead runner, or if they want to allow you the possibility of dramatically increasing run expectancy (1st/3rd with one fewer outs vs. 3rd only with one more out).  If outs are viewed as the precious commodity, trying for an extra base there gives the offense a chance to avoid losing a precious out.  Sure, the defense can avoid this fate entirely by taking the play at 1b, but then the offense has acquired another base of advancement.


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