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Friday, October 24, 2008

UZR positional adjustments, revised with 2008 UZR

By Tangotiger, 02:21 PM

Redoing this study: UZR positional adjustments, with the 2008 data (no age adjustments, yet), I get this:

pos1 pos2 r1 r2 diff G
7 9 0.6 0 -0.6 9595

This means that of the guys who played both LF and RF, they were +0.6 in LF, +0 in RF, for a difference of -0.6.  That’s with 9595 games.  A difference of minus means that you have worse fielders that you are being compared against (that’s why you have an overall plus rating).  So, in this case, we can say that LF are a bit worse than RF.  This does not include Arm ratings.

pos1 pos2 r1 r2 diff G
7 8 5.9 -5.1 -11 7190

No big surprise here.  Of guys who played both, they look good in LF and bad in CF.  The gap is 11 runs, on 7190 games.

pos1 pos2 r1 r2 diff G
8 9 -8.9 3 11.9 6664

Similar situation here, with a 12 run gap (this makes it seem that RF is a bit worse than LF, when comparing to the previous line).  So, all 3 in summary
pos1 pos2 r1 r2 diff G
7 8 5.9 -5.1 -11 7190
7 9 0.6 0 -0.6 9595
8 9 -8.9 3 11.9 6664

Best-fitting it, we can say:
11 CF
0 RF, LF

That is, the run gap is around the same for RF and LF, and each are about 11 runs from CF.  There should be very little disagreement here (other than arm), considering the enormous number of games, and the similar skillset of the three positions.  Aging may be an issue, which I’ll look at later.

I’ll post infielders in a little bit…


#1    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/10/24 (Fri) @ 15:08

pos1 pos2 r1 r2 diff G
4 5 -4.7 -1.3 3.4 4860
4 6 0.5 -4.1 -4.6 5393
5 6 0.4 -4 -4.4 3620

Not as many games, and the skillsets don’t necessarily translate the process isn’t as strong here. From the perspective of the SS, guys who move there from 2B or 3B do equally poorly (by 4.5 runs).  However, guys who move between 2B and 3B do better at 3B, meaning that 2B as a group are better.  Splitting the difference, we best-fit as:

4.3 SS
1.7 2B
0.0 3B

***

When we look at 1B with the other 3 IF positions, we get:
pos1 pos2 r1 r2 diff G
3 4 -2 -4.2 -2.2 1191
3 5 -1.3 -7.4 -6.1 3375
3 6 0.6 -9.6 -10.2 963

We see that they do better at 2B than 3B, which gives us reason to again put the 2B and 3B at the same level.  Anyway, compared to the 3 IF positions as a group, 1B is around 6 runs worse.

Clearly only good fielders at 1B will play at other positions, so we can see how if you looked at all 1B that they’d be more exposed in the IF.  How much more is a tough call.

***

Similarly, here are the 3 OF positions compared to 1B:
pos1 pos2 r1 r2 diff G
3 7 -1 -5 -4 2879
3 8 1.5 -4 -5.5 656
3 9 -2.4 -10.5 -8.1 2338

Once again, around a 6 run difference, with the same skepticism as above.

***

We see from the standpoint of the 1B that they are as far away from the 3 IF positions as the 3 OF positions.  Of course, we also have the handedness issue.

Putting it all together, we get something like this:
3 SS
-1 2B
-2 3B

8 CF
-4 LF
-4 RF

-6 1B

The relationship among the 3 IF hold, and among the 3 OF hold.  The average for the 3 IF and the 3 IF is 0, which are both 6 runs from the 1B.  If I throw a blanket +6 for the C, we get:
8 CF
6 C
3 SS
-1 2B
-2 3B
-4 LF
-4 RF
-6 1B

The handedness thing is an issue for sure.  We figured in another thread, that the bonus would be +3 for the IF positions, and -3 for the OF positions.  So that gives us:

6 C
6 SS
5 CF
2 2B
1 3B
-6 1B
-7 LF
-7 RF

Obviously, 1B is now out-of-whack here.  If we move things up and down a little, we end up with:

12.5 C
7.5 SS
2.5 CF
2.5 2B
2.5 3B
-7.5 LF
-7.5 RF
-12.5 1B

Obviously, I took a few liberties, especially with catcher and firstbase.  The rest hold pretty well.  The relationship between SS and 2B/3B hold as original.  The same applies for CF and LF/RF.  Perhaps 1B should really be -10 and C should be +10.

Anyway, that’s pretty much it.

***

Oh, let me look at the actual IF/OF movement.  SS playing in the OF are +8.5 runs ahead of the three OF.  That’s a match to the third-to-last chart (the one before the handedness adjustment).

2B who played in the three OF positions are around 1 run behind the OF.  This is also a match to the third-to-last chart.  3B are 2 runs behind the 3 OF positions, and again, another match.

So, we’ve got some pretty strong agreement here.


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/10/24 (Fri) @ 16:01

I took the 30 players with the most games at each position, each year.  That gives me 180 seasons for each position.  Here is how the regulars did at each position, per 150 games:

pos Rper150_weighted class
3 1.1 1_Regulars
4 1.4 1_Regulars
5 1.6 1_Regulars
6 1.4 1_Regulars
7 -1.1 1_Regulars
8 2.1 1_Regulars
9 0.7 1_Regulars

As you can see, regulars are a bit above average fielders.  Except in LF.

I then took the next 30 players who played the most games (players 31 through 60) at each position, each year.  Here’s how the backups did:

pos Rper150_weighted class
3 -2.8 2_Backups
4 -0.7 2_Backups
5 -3.0 2_Backups
6 -3.2 2_Backups
7 +4.4 2_Backups
8 -5.4 2_Backups
9 -1.4 2_Backups

As you can see, backup LF are very good fielders.  Otherwise, backup fielders are below average.

Finally, the rest of the players (players 61st, onwards in terms of games played per position):

pos Rper150_weighted class
3 -5.4 3_Rest
4 -9.9 3_Rest
5 -8.7 3_Rest
6 -14.8 3_Rest
7 -2.9 3_Rest
8 -5.3 3_Rest
9 -2.8 3_Rest

The infielders really suck, especially SS.  The 1B/OF are bad too.


#3    MGL      (see all posts) 2008/10/24 (Fri) @ 23:07

Great stuff!  Lots to digest, but excellent stuff.  Definitely an area that needs more looking into, as we can infer from the fact that it takes a lot of tweaking to get everything to line up.

Any speculation as to why in LF, the backups are substantially better than the regulars in fielding?  We can say that it is because lots of the backups are defensive replacements, but that applies to some extent at other positions as well.  The only thing I can think of is that all other positions pretty much have good defenders as the regulars.  LF is a place where you stick a lousy fielder that for whatever reason does not play first base.  You can say the same about RF, but I think RF’ers have to have good arms, so you don’t just stick anyone with a good bat in RF.  Plus even if you want to replace your RF late in a game that you are winning, you can’t put a slick fielder there if he does not have a good arm.  In LF, you can pretty much put any slick utility fielder (like Bruntlett who comes in for Burrell) out there and you don’t need a good OF arm.


#4    tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/10/25 (Sat) @ 00:49

Someone suggested that LF is the DH for the NL.

Also, with the number of opposite field hits these past few years, better fielders are at RF than LF (and the arm of course).  So, there’s this shift.  And, if LF is a dumping ground for good hit, no field for the regulars, you have no choice but to think his backup will be the opposite.


#5    Colin Wyers      (see all posts) 2008/10/25 (Sat) @ 01:01

I think that there is no such thing as a backup left fielder, just a backup outfielder that plays all three spots. (Okay, so I’m oversimplifying here.) If left field is easier than right field and right field is easier than center, your typical fourth outfielder should be better in left than he is in right, and better in right than he is in center.

So I think that for the backups table, you’re looking at essentially the same player pool at all three outfield positions.


#6    Colin Wyers      (see all posts) 2008/10/25 (Sat) @ 01:03

That may also explain why the backup second baseman is the closest to being an average defender at his position - because oftentimes he’s the same guy as the backup shortstop.


#7    tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/10/25 (Sat) @ 08:50

I have no doubt that you are correct, as I espouse the same thing.

Players are put in roles, not positions.  You are either a C, IF, OF, or everything else.  That’s the fact of it.  If you can’t cut it in one, you move on to the next one.


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