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Wednesday, July 15, 2009

Two pitchers at the same time

By Tangotiger, 05:08 PM

Rob Neyer talks about this strategy, including history.

The Book, p. 174:

An unorthodox solution to all of this is to have two pitchers in the game at the same time, one lefty and one righty. Depending on who is at the plate, one will be on the mound, and the other can be put in the outfield. The worst corner outfielders in the majors cost their teams around 30 runs per 162 games, which equals .185 runs per game or about .005 runs per plate appearance, assuming 39 plate appearances per game. Supposing that a pitcher moonlighting as an outfielder were twice as bad as the worst full-time outfielder in the majors, this would leave us at a penalty of around .010 runs per plate appearance. Now let’s look at the positive side of attempting this.

yada yada yada… it’s +.014 runner per PA on the positive side.  So, overall, it’s slightly beneficial.  However, we didn’t talk about the MLB rule that limits the number of times you can do this per inning.  Overall, it probably works out to close to a wash.

“A pitcher may change to another position only once during the same inning; e.g. the pitcher will not be allowed to assume a position other than a pitcher more than once in the same inning. “

While the first half looks ambiguous, the second half is not. The player is in fact allowed to be a pitcher more than once in the same inning. A P, LF, P scenario is permitted, based on the e.g. wording.

Whether P, LF, RF, P is permitted based on the wording is not clear to me, since the LF to RF switch did not involve “the pitcher”.


#1    Brian Cartwright      (see all posts) 2009/07/15 (Wed) @ 18:00

I read this to mean that a pitcher can only leave the mound to assume another defensive position once per inning. If he’s in LF he’s no longer the pitcher, and could go to CF, RF, etc, but once on the mound the 2nd time he could not go to another position again until the next inning.

I think this is fairly new. I worked in amateur ball from 1978-90, we used the MLB rulebook, and this deosn’t sound familiar. There it was common place for someone already in the game to be the new pitcher, or the pitcher to take a defensive position.


#2    puck      (see all posts) 2009/07/15 (Wed) @ 21:41

When does the player get the 8 warmup pitches--anytime he takes the mound, or only if he enters the game as a pitcher?

If it’s the latter, I wonder why MLB would make a rule limiting how many time the pitcher can move to a non-p position and then back.


#3    Gary Geiger Counter      (see all posts) 2009/07/15 (Wed) @ 21:48

I actually saw this in action 16 years ago almost to this second.  I was in Boston the first time Piniella did the Waxahachie Swap.


#4    Dufman      (see all posts) 2009/07/15 (Wed) @ 22:51

8.03 says eight pitches or one minute for the pitcher to warm up and does not distinguish about pitchers re-entering in the same inning.

Of course most commercial breaks are 2:30, so I am not sure if the eight pitches is strictly adhered to eventhough starting pitches probably would not want too many.

If a team used the ol’ Waxahacie, I suspect the second time assuming the rubber the umps would say no warm-ups or only a couple.  Substitute position players for injuries are allowed 5 warm-up tosses per 3.03.

The pitcher swap rule says pitcher can assume another position only once per inning.  Once he leaves the mound, he is no longer a pitcher and could switch to any non-pitching position freely.


#5    Bjorn      (see all posts) 2009/07/17 (Fri) @ 03:42

On the P, LF, RF, P issue. Aren’t fielders (except P & C obviously) technically allowed to position themselves anywhere they want as long as they are behind the mound and in fair territory?

If so couldn’t you in effect switch your outfielders around without any score card changes?


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