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Saturday, March 31, 2007

Throwing Over to First

By Tangotiger, 09:25 AM

PizzaCutter takes a look at throwing over to first.  The league leaders in runners who had the most pitches thrown their way is a who’s who of fast runners.  A couple of nits:


Next, I identified how many events were “duplicates.” This would be a case where a runner singles to start the inning, but the next three hitters strike out without him leaving first base.  This way, he gets credit for only one time on first, rather than three.

I would argue the opposite.  In fact, why not make it the ratio of pitches thrown to runner to pitches thrown to batter.  If that’s too long to do, I’d stick to pitches thrown to runner per batter faced.

There was a significant association such that a runner was more likely to run if there had been a throw to first.  (More likely: a pitcher threw to first when it was occupied by a runner who was more likely to run.) Runners only tried in 8.5% of the instances in which a throw had been made to first, but 21.8% of the time when the pitcher had thrown over.  So throwing over certainly isn’t a deterrent from running. 

Obviously, we have a sampling issue.  The question is if each runner is affected by the pickoff throws.  When you aggregate, you should have the same players, with the same weights, in both groups.  We don’t have that here, as the fast runners are way overweighted in the pickoff group than the slow runners, relative to the nonpickoff group.  You could probably just split the players by career triples per doubles to get a quick speed score, and then make your universe the top 20 or 30 runners.  Then, from that pool of players, see how they do when a pickoff throw is made or not, and if multiple pickoff throws are made.

Nonetheless, fantastic research, and we need more roll-up-the-sleeve work like this.

#1    Pizza Cutter      (see all posts) 2007/03/31 (Sat) @ 10:09

Tango, I actually calculated that ratio a few different ways.  I didn’t do throws to first / pitches, but I did do the list by plate appearances in which the runner was on first.  Same basic list, order’s a little different (Freel, Roberts, Upton, Logan, Duffy, Pierre, Reyes, Soriano, Granderson, Amezaga) I didn’t report it because it was late and I needed to get to bed.  wink As for the sampling issue, you’re absolutely correct.  It’s an issue I plan to address in part II (or III, depending how far I can go with this.)

But, thanks for the link.


#2          (see all posts) 2007/04/13 (Fri) @ 15:15

Part2: http://mvn.com/mlb-stats/2007/04/06/on-throwing-to-first-part-ii/

Part3: http://mvn.com/mlb-stats/2007/04/12/on-throwing-to-first-part-iii/


#3    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2007/04/13 (Fri) @ 15:56

Pizza: there’s another bias… the pitcher.

You say that throwing over is correlated to reduced success stealing.  But, wouldn’t Andy Pettite be more likely to throw over than Chuck Shmuck?  That is, throwing over would be correlated to how well Andy thinks his pickoff move is to begin with!  I’d look at the pitcher and his handedness.


#4    Pizza Cutter      (see all posts) 2007/04/13 (Fri) @ 16:04

Tango, I can’t stomach a Part IV right now!  The next piece was going to be “Who has the best move to first?” which would have looked at some of these.  Maybe in a couple weeks when I’m a little less fried looking at that data set.  Besides, I need to look at my “Why do adolescents become depressed and/or aggressive?” data set.


#5    tangotiger      (see all posts) 2007/04/13 (Fri) @ 16:24

No offense, but who cares about that!

Anyway, the answer to your question is: peer pressure (real or perceived).  There, thesis written.

Just read a new study that shows the pre-teen year-long “abstinence education” has no effect on their future teenage sex life.  i.e., teenagers’ programmability dwarfs in comparison to their free will, raging hormones and peer pressure.


#6    Pizza Cutter      (see all posts) 2007/04/13 (Fri) @ 17:18

Ah, if only I’d written that before the 119 pages (and counting!) of stuff I’ve written so far.  Let this be a warning to anyone out there reading this: don’t go to graduate school.  You end up crunching baseball data as a way to stay sane.  Also, the abstinence only study is evidence for what a lot of people (including me) have been saying for a long time: kids don’t base their sexual decisions on what their seventh grade health class teacher tells them.  It always sounds much more obvious to people when you frame it that way.

Anyway, since I had a down moment, I checked on handedness.  Handedness makes no difference in throwing over.  Lefties are just as likely to throw over as righties and make just as many throws when they do.  (Both the chi-square and t-test came out non-significant.)

However, pitcher handedness does make a difference in slowing down the runners.  With righties, SB success rates went from 77.2% to 69.3% after a throw was made.  For lefties, the rates dropped from 75.5% to 53.0%!  So, if the pitcher isn’t watching, it doesn’t make a lot of difference whether he’s a lefty or a righty.  But, a lefty’s move is worth 22 percentage points on SB success rate, while a righty’s is worth 8.

Maybe I should do Part IV after all.


#7    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2007/04/13 (Fri) @ 17:28

And I’d bet the Andy Pettite’s of the world would have a bigger drop as well (presuming you count a pickoff as a failed stolen base attempt).


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