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Tuesday, May 03, 2011

Through-Counts

By Tangotiger, 09:39 AM

Here’s from Peter:

UPDATE: At-counts here.


#1    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/05/03 (Tue) @ 09:42

Peter, compare your wOBA to my wOBA:

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/hitting_by_count/

I only looked at the 3-0, but you made a mistake.  I didn’t look at your other numbers.

Two sources of errors possible:
1. IBB is not in the denominator of wOBA
2. be careful how to handle two-strike fouls


#2          (see all posts) 2011/05/03 (Tue) @ 10:06

I tweaked the charts to exclude IBB’s—http://i51.tinypic.com/3308d9d.png

With my new chart I’ve got .699 for at 3-0, you’ve got .700. The IBB’s were the problem.


#3    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/05/03 (Tue) @ 10:09

Great stuff, Peter.

You know what’s interesting?  If you are at 3-0, and you give an automatic ball, the wOBA becomes .720.  But, if you are at 3-0 and you pitch as you normally would (and as a hitter you swing/take as you normally would), by the time the at bat is over, the wOBA is .700.

Basically, it’s virtually the same thing!


#4          (see all posts) 2011/05/03 (Tue) @ 10:25

Batters put the ball in play very, very infrequently on 3-0 counts. Of the 39,708 PA’s that ended at 3-0 (including IBB), only 2,421 were official AB’s. When they do, they rake, slugging .775 with a BABIP of .315 in my sample. There’s probably some selection bias, usually managers only let really good hitters swing away in 3-0 counts. I do think it’s partially explained by the fact that even those allowed to swing at a 3-0 pitch are going to have a tiny zone. In other words, if a hitter is swinging at a 3-0 pitch, it’s *his* pitch.

Most of the 3-0 action pitches are walks, either intentional or not: 37,154 BB’s, 11,0763 IBB’s.

If I were a hitting coach or manager I’d want to let all of my batters with good plate discipline/pitch recognition swing in 3-0 counts, with the caveat that they’re only allowed to swing if they get a pitch they can drive. Next time you’re watching baseball note any 3-0 counts you see. If there’s a non-elite hitter at the plate, you’ll almost never see him swing. Yet, I’d wager that often he’ll see the best pitch he will throughout the PA 3-0, a fastball down the middle.


#5          (see all posts) 2011/05/03 (Tue) @ 10:38

I screwed up the through count chart in #2, had the wOBA column sorted incorrectly. Fixed now—http://i56.tinypic.com/16rw35.jpg


#6          (see all posts) 2011/05/03 (Tue) @ 23:22

What I’d love to see is thru and at numbers that exclude BB and K’s


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