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Tuesday, June 17, 2008

The Greatest Blogger of our time?

By Tangotiger, 10:24 AM

It’s either D.K. Wilson, or Joe Posnanski.  Joe does a deconstruction of the most phony athlete of our time, Tiger Woods (don’t worry ARod… you are close), gives him a personality, and hits a HR.  But, as one of the commenters says:


I am amazed by Tiger’s accomplishments as anyone, and these tournaments are more fun to watch when he is in the mix. But I can’t stand this “mysticism” that surrounds him, this “innate ability to win” that people attribute to him.  There is something of a self-fulfilling prophecy here, or a selective memory, or whatever the Psychology 101 term is that fits. Tiger has won more than anyone. But for every shot that “I knew he would make” that goes in, there are 10 that “I knew he would make” and didn’t go in. We don’t remember those. Tiger was great all week, especially considering the knee surgery. But he also sent drives into the rough and misplayed approach shots in absolutely crucial moments. He gave up a three-stroke lead with eight holes to play against a decidedly inferior player. Where was the “magic,” the “otherworldiness” then?

When it comes to stories about Tiger Woods, I treat it like a Law & Order episode: there’s a basis in fact to make a great story.  But, it’s only a story.

***

Joe recounted a Don Rickles story that I love:

I know a story that might explain the comedian Don Rickles too. When he was just starting out, he was at a club with a date, and Frank Sinatra walked in. Rickles had a passing relationship with Sinatra at that point, and his date wanted desperately to be introduced. Rickles walked over and said, “Frank, please, I’m with this woman, she wants to meet you, it would make me look like such a big shot, please come over to the table.” Frank agreed, and after a while he did walk over and said, “Don, how are you?” To which Rickles shouted, “Frank not now! Can’t you see I’m with somebody?”

Which reminds me of a Don Rickles line, that he used on a Bob Newhart roast, upon learning that Newhart had a college degree in accounting.  Flabbergasted, Rickles turns to his fellow comedian, and says: “You mean you don’t have to be doing this stuff?!?”

#1    Terry      (see all posts) 2008/06/17 (Tue) @ 10:51

Tiger Woods is to golf as MJ was to basketball.

I don’t get the Tiger bashing. He’s passionate about golf and has honed his skill to become the best in the world. Not surprisingly he tends to be better than others in situations fans arbitrarily label “clutch”. Shouldn’t that be admired?

Make fun of the fans blurring the context not Tiger.


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/06/17 (Tue) @ 11:22

The bashing is on his personality, not his talent.  Gretzky was super humble in his interviews, and he had a personality that you could root for.  Federer too.  MJ was nowhere close to humble, but again, a personality to root for. 

Tiger?  Ugh.  That he is now an ignoramous hockey basher is double-ugh.

ARod?  Ugh.

Shaq?  Love Shaq.  Can you see Tiger Woods or ARod playing opposite Larry David?  Right, me neither.

These guys probably put their foot in their mouths if they were to speak openly, because they don’t know how to speak openly.  Curt Schilling, Brett Hull, Jeremy Roenick… Tiger and ARod might sound like these guys, but because those three aren’t the pinnacle at their sport, we cut them a bit of slack.  Plus, lots of times, they give us a personality to root for.  Tiger and ARod simply don’t have the personality of MJ and Gretzky and Federer to transcend their shortcomings.


#3    studes      (see all posts) 2008/06/17 (Tue) @ 11:34

Something that occurred to me this morning: how easy would it be to construct WPA for golf?  It seems to me that Woods gets lots of glory out of winning tournaments on the last hole or two.  Is he a “clutch” golfer, and does that generate part of the adulation?


#4    Peter Jensen      (see all posts) 2008/06/17 (Tue) @ 14:14

Don’t leave John Thorn out of the possible candidates for the greatest blogger.


#5    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/06/17 (Tue) @ 14:58

Give me some samples please.

I have pretty high standards.  Dick Hayhurst (or whatever his name is… he needs an internet handle) is a great blogger as well (he’s a minor league player).  I enjoyed the Thorn books I bought in the 80s.

Basically, I’m looking for lots of posts every month, not just 3 or 4.  Poz combines quality and quantity like nobody out there.


#6    traced      (see all posts) 2008/06/19 (Thu) @ 11:08

Why do you give ARod such a tough time? He basically has the same personality as a mom. He just wants to be loved, in kind of a pathetically uncool way. At least he earnestly tries to be what he thinks people will love.


#7    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/06/19 (Thu) @ 12:03

Uh, traced/6, that’s exactly why I give him a hard time!  You are agreeing with me that he is a phony…


#8    Peter Jensen      (see all posts) 2008/06/19 (Thu) @ 12:37

Tango #5 - Thorn is not as productive as your criteria requires.  His blog is thornpricks.blogspot.com.  He usually posts only a couple of times a month.  But almost all are great reads and many are about baseball.  He also has three years of archived posts so you can spend a lot of enjoyable time catching up.


#9    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/06/19 (Thu) @ 13:16

Peter, thanks.  I read through the first several.  Good or ok stuff… not really my thing, though.


#10    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/06/19 (Thu) @ 13:48

As for the “greatest”, how about the best combination of prolific and distinguished… so, that’s what Poz is to me.


#11    Peter Jensen      (see all posts) 2008/06/19 (Thu) @ 18:48

Tango - Thorn Pricks is a bit tricky as it includes posts by his sons as well.  Take the time to go back through and read some of John’s baseball posts.  I’ll bet you’ll find some that you will like a lot.  I will officially withdraw his name from contention as the greatest blogger as he definitely isn’t as prolific as Poz.  The writing was terrific in Poz’s piece about Tiger but I thought the whole point of view was a cheap shot.  If you are a celebrity and expose your inner self to the media someone will find something not to like.  If you try to avoid the inevitable and keep your private life private, the media finds a way to criticize you for that too.


#12    studes      (see all posts) 2008/06/19 (Thu) @ 19:16

Got to admit that I stopped subscribing to Thorn Pricks in my RSS feed.  Just wasn’t getting much out of his posts.

I am really enjoying my Craig Wright subscription, though.  $20 a year for 100 posts on historical baseball matters.  Yes, I know many of the things he talks about, but he often brings a unique angle.


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