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Monday, April 19, 2010

The 20-inning game

By Tangotiger, 12:09 PM

Eno Sarris / ESPN:

Even still, those plays may not have been the biggest errors of the night. Ryan Ludwick’s caught stealing in the 19th inning cost his team 21.6 percent in win probability. Had he been ruled safe, the Cardinals odds of winning would have increased by just 4.2 percent. In other words, he would need five successful steals in that situation to cancel out just one caught stealing, and Ludwick had a career 57 percent success rate prior to the attempt. Henry Blanco, the Mets catcher, has thrown out 43 percent of all base stealers in his career. The odds were simply not in Ludwick’s favor, and getting thrown out was a huge blow to the Cardinals. It was yet another bad decision on a night full of them. The Cardinals threw away three great opportunities to win, and eventually, the Mets won by default.

Average win expectancy: .520 (closer to .500, the more each team had a chance of winning)
Average LI: 2.1 (the farther from 1.0, the tighter the game)


#1    Zack      (see all posts) 2010/04/19 (Mon) @ 12:37

Does anyone know how great the effect of pitched velocity is on hitting distance?  If you hit a 95-mph fastball 400 feet, how far would a 78-mph fastball travel with the same swing?  (Assuming same placement, trajectory, break, etc.) Have any of the baseball-physicists looked at this?


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/04/19 (Mon) @ 13:24

Zack: please search the archives, look under the Technology category, and find an appropriate thread to post your question.  I’ll delete this question in one hour.


#3    john      (see all posts) 2010/04/19 (Mon) @ 13:38

I can’t read the whole article (insider only) but Larussa biggest mistake IMO was when he double switched and took Holiday out of the game having the pitcher bat right after pujols. I believe there was two instances during extra innings where he had the bases loaded and the pitcher ended up having to bat.


#4    Nate      (see all posts) 2010/04/19 (Mon) @ 14:58

John, that was a big mistake, but the relief pitcher only “had” to bat twice because LaRussa refused to pinch hit with his back-up catcher.  Twice.  The Cardinals had the bases loaded 3 times in extra innings and failed to score all 3 times.  However, those bases loaded situations are a little misleading because every time Pujols came to bat with men on, he was IBBed because the pitcher was on deck.


#5          (see all posts) 2010/04/19 (Mon) @ 15:09

I don’t know if Eno mentioned this in his article, but Ludwick’s CS wasn’t a straight steal. It was a hit-and-run attempt, which might be even dumber with Pujols batting.


#6          (see all posts) 2010/04/19 (Mon) @ 15:19

I read somewhere (forget where) that LaRussa removed Holliday because Holliday was still suffering from the flu.  It obviously cost him in this game, but it may have been the right long-term move.


#7    eno      (see all posts) 2010/04/19 (Mon) @ 16:37

I’m willing to give him the double-switch, actually, as long as he puts Anderson in where Hawksworth hit, and doesn’t send Ludwick to second in either a hit-and-run or steal situation. I heard that Holliday wasn’t healthy as well. Perhaps he should have just done a regular switch out if that was the case though. Definitely some serious overmanaging here.


#8    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/04/19 (Mon) @ 16:49

If there was a decent chance that he was going to remove Holliday, why bat him behind Pujols?  Why not 6th or 7th?


#9          (see all posts) 2010/04/19 (Mon) @ 17:23

Tango/8, LaRussa removed Holliday in the 11th inning.  About 2.5% of games go longer than 11 innings.

I remembered where I read about Holliday being removed because of the flu.  It was from one of the comments to Joe Posnanski’s post on the game:
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2010/04/18/baseball-tweets-a-series

Let us remember that Holliday was pulled because he was recovering from the flu. Getting him out of the line-up may have been the humane thing to do. Winning isn’t everything. (For the record: This move was vindicated on Sunday when Holliday went 3 for 3).


#10          (see all posts) 2010/04/19 (Mon) @ 18:02

I LOL’ed at that comment.  “Winning isn’t everything.” And then immediately, the “vindication” when he goes 3-3 the next day (and in a win).

Between LaRussa’s nit-pickery and Jerry Manuel’s addiction to sac bunts, those were three of the most excruciating innings of baseball to watch - and I only watched those three!  Imagine the poor souls who saw the whole thing, including three bases-loaded chances for the home side.


#11    john      (see all posts) 2010/04/19 (Mon) @ 19:52

Jerry sac bunting with a position player pitching killed me lol


#12    Matthew Cornwell      (see all posts) 2010/04/19 (Mon) @ 20:20

I’d like to see how the Lopez/Mather 3 inning combo compared to any other 3+ inning relief outings by positioned players historically.  I would also like to see if Kyle Loshe could be a better full-tile LFer than Carlos Lee.


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