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Sunday, February 07, 2010

Spitting delaying honor

By Tangotiger, 12:13 PM

We know about Alomar.  I did not know about Ted Williams:

August 7, 1956 - In a game against the Yankees at Fenway Park, Williams drop an easy fly ball and is booed lustily by Red Sox fans. At the end of the inning, Williams jogs toward the dugout and launches into one of the worst tantrums of his career by spitting at fans near the dugout. Williams is fined $5,000 but tells the Boston Herald he doesn’t regret his actions. “I’d spit again at those booing bastards,” Williams says.
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July 23, 1958 - In a game at Kansas City, Williams fails to run all the way to first on a groundout and the crowd loudly boos him. Williams, in turn, spits at the fans and is fined $250.

In 1956, Ted made 125K, so he was fined 4% of his salary.  That’d be like a 25MM$ player being fined one MILLION dollars for spitting on fans.  That’s how much of an afront that incident had.

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Patrick Roy gave the Montreal fans the one-finger salute in his last game.  We laughed it off by the next day.

Ah, but the Holy Writers, they will always talking about the spitting incident (of Alomar) because it benefits them to act like the gatekeepers of all that is holy about baseball. 


#1    Dave      (see all posts) 2010/02/07 (Sun) @ 17:44

If I remebered correctly I don’t think Roy gave “us” the one finger salute. He just went by Mario Tremblay and tells Ronald Corey, That this was his last game as a Canadiens. I do remeber Guy Carbonneau giving the finger to a journalist (frontpage of the journal of Montreal) while playing golf one week after the Canadien’s elimination from the playoffs. He was traded weeks later. You can’t be rude with a journalist even tough they followed during your off-season to be critical of you because you’re playing golf instead of playing hockey.

And if I was Ted WIlliams I might not had spit but I would have been pretty mad against the fans to have the audacity to “boo” me after all the great (great great great) seasons he had for them…


#2          (see all posts) 2010/02/07 (Sun) @ 21:13

Did Williams just spit AT the fans, or did he spit ON them?  It’s a big difference.  It’s like elbowing an unsuspecting player in the head, and he’s out one shift, versus elbowing an unsuspecting player in the head, and he goes into convulsions on the ice.


#3    Rally      (see all posts) 2010/02/07 (Sun) @ 23:45

The “Holy Writers” are not delaying any honor for Alomar.  He got 74% of the vote and almost certainly will go in in his second year.  Which is quicker than Ryan Sandberg went in and he’s just as good a player.  And Quicker than Barry Larkin will go in, and he was a better player.

Sandberg and Larkin have no character negatives whatsoever, so if Alomar gets in quicker than they do, I conclude that the writers are not overreacting to that incident.


#4          (see all posts) 2010/02/08 (Mon) @ 03:58

Forget the spitting - Ted Williams used to say this if you poured hot water on a sportswriter, you got instant sh_t.  And they still loved him…


#5    Kincaid      (see all posts) 2010/02/08 (Mon) @ 08:26

A lot of sportswriters hated Williams (how else do you win 2 Triple Crowns and hit .400 in another year and not win the MVP in any of the 3 seasons?).  Even a lot of Boston fans hated him for a lot of his career.

I found a couple articles on Google’s archive search on the incident:

The Harvard Crimson

The Miami News

And one from the next day, that suggests he had some support from the fans, and one legislator even proposed a bill to fine fans for heckling players:

United Press (via Spokane Daily Chronicle)

This one claims that the spitting incident from 1956 was actually the second time he did it that season:

Montreal Gazette


#6          (see all posts) 2010/02/08 (Mon) @ 12:25

Suppose A loses an election by 1% and L loses an election by 20%. Typically there may be twenty reasons “why A lost” for every one reason why L lost. --or twenty causes of A’s loss if you prefer that language.

It’s a paradox of voting.
or human reasoning about voting.


#7    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/02/08 (Mon) @ 14:45

Kincaid/5 was marked for moderation and is now open.


#8    Hara      (see all posts) 2010/02/09 (Tue) @ 04:34

250 is not 4% of 125K.

More like 0.2%, so nothing insane.


#9    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/02/09 (Tue) @ 08:28

"Williams is fined $5,000 “


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