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Thursday, April 03, 2008

Should Marlins move Hanley Ramirez to another position?

By Tangotiger, 04:38 PM

No!  Are you crazy? 

The Marlins will end up trading Ramirez before he hits free agency.  The Marlins exist to turn a profit, before they exist to make the playoffs.  The trade value of Ramirez is highest if he plays at SS.  Since there will be some MLB out there deluded enough to think that he’s a capable shortstop, Marlins will get the most value by keeping him at SS. 

I mean, look at what they just did with Cabrera.  He should be a corner OF or 1B, but they managed to convince the Tigers that he is a 3B, even though the Tigers already had one of the best fielding 3B in the game today.

It works out like this:
value = wins on offense + fielding wins relative to position + win value of position

Regardless of position, there will be some MLB team that will have “fielding wins relative to position” equal to zero.  The win value of SS is 1.0 greater than a corner OF (MLB teams have figured that one out already).  That’s 4.4 million dollars every year of non-free agency right there of overvaluation that the Marlins will trade against.

I can’t wait to see which team will overpay for him.


#1    dave smyth      (see all posts) 2008/04/03 (Thu) @ 17:37

Nice post. But instead of what is best for the financial well-being of the Marlins, I’m more interested in what is best from a pure baseball standpoint.

My instinct (such as it is) tells me that if a great bat/mediocre glove player such as H Ram. can at least put up an avg, or close, ZR, I’ll leave him there. If he’s not able to make lots of out-of-zone plays, that’s OK. If his low fielding rating is, instead, the result of not making more plays on balls in zone (particularly lots of errors), then I will look to move him.

If a fielder is able to do at least OK on balls in zone, then I will assume that he can ‘handle’ the position, and that his hitting will not be unduly affected by position stress, and I will not be eager to move him to an easier position.

This is just my opinion, from watching baseball.


#2    JD      (see all posts) 2008/04/06 (Sun) @ 15:31

Well, the Nationals traded for Soriano and immediately moved him to left field. The Yankees and Rangers played him at 2B, but everybody knew he wasn’t good enough to play there regularly. Isn’t it a similar situation with Ramirez (except, perhaps, that he gets less attention because he plays in the black hole known as Miami sports)? I think those in baseball realize he’s not going to be a shortstop for his whole career. The only real question, I think, is whether he becomes an OF or a 2B/3B. I don’t know enough about the defensive skills he does have (is he bad because of no range, a poor arm, too many errors?) to know what would be best for him.


#3    David Gassko      (see all posts) 2008/04/06 (Sun) @ 15:45

Isn’t it nice that we can pretty much answer all the questions on this thread? Ramirez was dead last in the National League in converting balls in-zone into outs, so it doesn’t really look like he can handle the position, at least not based on David’s definition. As for where to move Ramirez, the Fan’s Scouting Report tells us that he has good speed and arm strength and a quick first step, but is terrible in every other category. His comps are a bunch of middle infielders and outfielders. I personally think he would be great in center, or at least a lot better than he is at shortstop.


#4    JD      (see all posts) 2008/04/06 (Sun) @ 20:39

Since Tango brought up Cabrera, something funny occurred to me while watching Tigers/White Sox (aside from Pudge being one of the worst possible leadoff choices I could imagine). How much better would Detroit be with Guillen at third and Cabrera at first? Wouldn’t this be a simple, obvious switch that a “genius” like Leyland should have figured out by now?

I’m sure in the long run it’s worth a win, at most. But any place you can get runs/wins, you take them, especially since I can’t imagine either guy would complain too much about the switch.


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