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Friday, February 19, 2010

Salaries lost by team, 2002-2009

By Tangotiger, 09:56 PM

Fantastic stuff.

Dear Rob Neyer:

You have pull with the media.  You know the media loves one-line sound bites.  You love to highlight the great work from the young guys.  Well, Jeff Zimmerman used the data of Josh Hermsmeyer to tell us that of the $18.6 billion in salaries paid out from 2002-09, that $2.9 billion went to guys on the disabled list, which is 15.5% of the payroll.  Blare that out in a headline, please.

Thanks, Tom

***

Jeff: can you split that up into number of days that exceeded 30 days on the DL for a stint?  The reason is because insurance only pays on day #31 and later.  The rest is considered short-term disability and is not covered, as best as I can tell.

***

Remember what I said about how teams insure contracts?  Let’s presume that of the 15.5% lost to DL, only a quarter of that was picked up by insurance (because only days 31+ are covered).  That’s about 4%.  If I read the above article correctly, it seems that premiums cost about 5% of team payroll.  Insurance companies profit from the difference.

So, prima facie, it seems that everything adds up pretty nice.  In any case, it’s nice to finally know.  Thanks Jeff and Josh.


#1    Josh      (see all posts) 2010/02/19 (Fri) @ 23:01

Just blown away by the work Jeff’s doing. Did you see Jeremy and JC using it to semi-debunk the Verducci effect, independently?

So cool.

http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2010/02/more-testing-of-the-verducci-effect/

http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2010/02/verducci_effect.php

Can’t wait to see what else folks come up with!


#2    Jeff Z      (see all posts) 2010/02/19 (Fri) @ 23:05

I will see what I can do.  Busy weekend, but should get too it Monday.


#3    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/02/19 (Fri) @ 23:20

Yes, I agree.  I think it’s just fantastic the way everyone simply is adding their part to all this.  The key, by the way, is the RetroID.  That takes 90% of the work, and it’s the reason Josh’s work is going to be so successful.


#4    Sky      (see all posts) 2010/02/20 (Sat) @ 00:19

The data in this article was going to appear in the Wall Street Journal a year ago…


#5          (see all posts) 2010/02/20 (Sat) @ 02:17

Updated the article with additional information of trips <= 30 or > 30 days.

Looks like 7.3% is not covered by insurance.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/2/19/1318203/2010/2/19/1318203/percentage-of-team-payroll-lost-to


#6    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/02/20 (Sat) @ 08:37

Great stuff again.

Thinking about it, while insurance only covers the period post-30 days, they don’t, I don’t think, cover 100% of the salaries.  Maybe it’s just 70%.  If that’s the case, 7.3% x 7% = 5.1%.  This jives much better with other information in the article that says that teams can purchase additional individual insurance for 5% of a player’s salary.

We’re pretty close here.  Obviously insurance companies have to make money, so there must be something else not covered as well.


#7    Guy      (see all posts) 2010/02/20 (Sat) @ 08:37

Great data, Jeff.  Any chance you could break this down between pitchers and non-pitchers?  It looks like pitchers account for about 55% of all the lost revenue (quite a bit higher than their share of salaries, though not as high as I would have guessed).  I’m wondering if the ratio is different in terms of the 7.3% that is not covered by insurance.  I’d guess that pitchers disproportionately have DL trips of over 30 days, but maybe not.


#8    Alex      (see all posts) 2010/02/20 (Sat) @ 12:50

Tango,
One thing you need to consider: I have only read that players are required to be on the DL for “at least” 30 days for insurance to cover part of the salary. I wouldn’t be surprised if insurance companies sell policies that don’t kick in until 60, 90, or even 120 days on the disabled list - particularly if they’re insuring a pitcher on a multi-year deal.


#9          (see all posts) 2010/02/20 (Sat) @ 17:30

Typically insurance companies get less in premiums than they pay out.

They make money because the premiums are received earlier than the money they pay, so they can invest them.


#10    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/02/20 (Sat) @ 18:45

In this case, it’s different.  Insurance payouts would be pretty quick.


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