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Sunday, June 07, 2009

Ross Ohlendorf, smartest baseball guy in pro ball?

By Tangotiger, 06:41 AM

Kurkijan makes his case.

His thesis was written on the June amateur draft, which will be held on Tuesday. Ohlendorf examined the top 100 picks from 1989 to 1993, tracked the progress of each player for a 12-year period, starting with the draft, to determine the value of the picks. Ohlendorf studied the investment (signing bonus) and the financial return from signing the player.

“The financial return is not cut and dry like the signing bonus, so I did my best to estimate it for the players in the study,’’ he said. “The vast majority of the return was determined by the player’s contribution in the major leagues prior to reaching free agency, and his salary over that period.’’

What were his findings?

“On average,’’ Ohlendorf said, “the player brought twice the return.’’

The 126-page thesis is brilliantly written and so complex, only a mathematician would be able to completely comprehend its meaning. So Ohlendorf broke down his thesis in layman’s terms. For each player, he estimated how much less the team paid the player in each of his pre-free agency years than it would have paid a comparable free agent. He gathered salary data for both the players in the study and for all free agents for the relevant years. He used Win Shares (a statistical formula used by Bill James) to determine each player’s value.

“Many of the players in the study did not make the major leagues,’’ Ohlendorf said. “However, many of those who did produced tremendous returns for the teams who drafted them. When looked at as a group, the internal rate of return on all the draft picks in the study was 60 percent. This is an extremely high rate of return. It is saying that if you invest $1, it will grow to $1.60 after a year and $2.56 after two years, and so on … I believe the stock market has had a historical rate of about 7 or 8 percent, prior to the last year. So even though many of the investments did not work out, the upside on those that did was so great, signing the high picks to large bonuses appears to have been a very smart investment.’’

Ohlendorf determined that the average signing bonus during those years was $210,236, and the average return was $2,468,127. Here are the top 10 players from his study.

Hat tip: Draw.


#1          (see all posts) 2009/06/07 (Sun) @ 12:38

It would be interesting to see his paper.  Giambi’s a pretty typical case - he made $15M (in 2006 baseball dollars) while the A’s controlled him - they bought out his arb years.  So he left 50-60% on the table.  If you have to invest salary in a player, you don’t exactly have a direct ROI on the signing bonus.


#2    Brian Cartwright      (see all posts) 2009/06/07 (Sun) @ 14:10

126 pages? Must not have had a 1500 word limit.

Does he understand replacement level?

In 20 years, will he be running the union, or running mlb?


#3    MGL      (see all posts) 2009/06/07 (Sun) @ 22:03

Sooner or later, some amateur sabermetrician at the level we see on THT, Statistically Speaking, et al., like Colin, Brian or David G. (sorry if I left someone out), is going to play in the major leagues.  Maybe that time has come.  Without reading the paper, while Ohlendorf is probably, by FAR and away, the “smartest” (sabermetrically speaking) in baseball, my guess is that the readers of this site would tear it to shreds.  Maybe not though.  From the snippet above, I’m not really sure what he is trying to do.  Perhaps figure out the difference between the investment in a drafted player (his signing bonus and subsequent salary) and what that same player would command in a FA salary?  I’m not sure what that tells us.  For one thing, isn’t there a large player development cost that goes along with all home grown talent?  IOW, if we determined that the average drafted player, say in the first 3 rounds, cost a total of 3 million dollars pre-FA and that their average value (using WS or whatever) was 5 million in FA dollars, that would not necessarily mean that drafting players and developing them was better than signing FA.  What if it cost another 3 million dollars per draftee in player development?  Maybe that would mean that it was not worth drafting any players at all - that a team should just sign FA?  Of course that can never be the case, as SOMEONE has to draft and develop players otherwise there would be no FA (no baseball at all, in fact).  And even if it turns out that drafting and developing players in much cheaper than signing FA (which we probably know already), so what?  What are we supposed to do with that info?  All teams draft as many players as they can anyway.  It is not like they have much of a choice.


#4          (see all posts) 2009/06/07 (Sun) @ 23:42

Sucker.  I wrote an undergrad thesis on the home field advantage, and it only took me 38 pages.

Seriously though… if “only a mathemetician could understand it”, isn’t he doing something wrong?  I don’t see how you’d need anything more than addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division to do something like this.  Maybe standard deviation too, I don’t know.  Or I guess, maybe Kurkjian is just trying to flatter the guy.


#5          (see all posts) 2009/06/08 (Mon) @ 00:23

My guess is Kurkjian didn’t actually read it, but had Ohlendorf summarize it and Ohlendorf dumbed it down.

Remember that this is an undergrad thesis, so it is most possibly a bit simplistic.  Without reading the paper we do not know if he had a straight thesis and pointed out other avenues of study that came up during his research.

Ohlie’s summary did make it sound like all he did is collect data from a salary database and make an attempt to equate draft investment versus FA investment.

If anyone is interested it looks like you can only get a copy by paying $0.35/pg plus shipping from the Princeton Mudd Library.

Until some one actually reads the thesis, how can anyone comment more intelligently on it?

Anyone care to guess if Kurkjian actually read it?  My guess is no since I doubt Ohlendorf actually keeps a copy around.

Has anyone commented on Chris Young’s thesis: The Integration of Professional Baseball and Racial Attitudes in America: A Study in Sterotype Change?

All Princeton grads do a senior thesis, so why does Ohlendorf get the super smart tag?  Because Kurkjian decided to give it to him.


#6          (see all posts) 2009/06/08 (Mon) @ 10:57

My Princeton thesis was on disintermediation and the effect on savings and loans and the mortgage market from 1966 to 1969. Why didn’t I pick a baseball topic? Better pitchers, better thesis!

The Operations Reserach and Financial Engineering Department at Princeton has become very popular in recent years, as it meshed economics and higher level quantitative mathemetical modeling that would have served the graduates well if they were going to get a Wall Street job (oops!).

The professors do a lot of min/max models regarding areas such as car/truck rentals to resources needed to battle flu outbreaks under different scenarios.


#7    TJ      (see all posts) 2009/06/10 (Wed) @ 11:16

In AAA right now, but Sam Fuld may give Ohlendorf a run for his money:

“During that that stint, the Economics major Fuld worked for STATS Inc. as a statistician and in offseasons is working on his Masters in Statistics at Stanford.”

http://www.cubshub.com/?p=721


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