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Tuesday, October 16, 2007

Pre-contract agreements

By Tangotiger, 02:28 PM

Google that.  It’s a contract to sign a contract.  They seem to be quite common in soccer.  Here’s one story where a 17-yr old was successfully sued for millions for reneging on a contract to sign a contract.  As best as I can figure, clubs sponsor soccer acadamies for kids (and I’m talking kids kids), and at some age, it seems something like at the age of 14 or so, they sign a contract that obliges them to sign another contract at age 16 (which seems to be the age of consent I guess).  I’m presuming that if the club satisfies all the conditions, and they are not trying to unduly profit from the kid, the kid then has to sign a contract on his 16th birthday.  Merida, who managed to “go into hiding” until after his 16th birthday, emerged on some other club (in another country), thereby reneging on a contract to sign a contract.

Anyway, this is very confusing, since it’s hard to find any source on the matter.  Everywhere I look, these pre-contract agreements seem standard, and so, there’s nothing devoted to explaining them.


#1    MGL      (see all posts) 2007/10/16 (Tue) @ 15:45

Obviously every country has its own laws (England is generally similar to ours since most of our common law is from English common law), but ANY contract with a (non-emancipated) minor is generally NOT enforceable unless the other party thought that the person was of age and should not have reasonably known that they weren’t (especially if the minor presents himself as of age).  Then again, parents and guardians can usually enter into contracts on behalf of minors (otherwise minor entertainers and the like could never work).

There is nothing wrong with contracts for future contracts.  A contract is nothing more than an agreement (with certain rules of course) between two or more persons.


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2007/10/16 (Tue) @ 15:51

The Spanish tribunal sided AGAINST the minor for… I don’t know the reason… but I suppose for not signing an agreement at 16 that he pledged to sign when he was even younger than that.


#3    MGL      (see all posts) 2007/10/16 (Tue) @ 17:57

Yeah, I realize that.  I have no idea about Spanish law.


#4          (see all posts) 2007/10/17 (Wed) @ 09:42

I think the issue with Spanish players is that they are not allowed to sign contracts in Spain until they are 18.  The pre-contract agreements (signed by parents) encourage them to stay until 18 and then sign a contract.  But in England they can sign at 16 and so some of the better players leave early and play in the UK.

I imagine that the arrangements between Spanish football academies and players are similar to those between players and some of the baseball academies in central and south america run by MLB clubs.


#5    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2007/10/17 (Wed) @ 09:53

I still don’t get how a Spanish tribunal can hold an agreement signed by a 14 or 15 yr old against him.  Why *must* he have signed at 16?  And that if he didn’t, he’d owe millions of dollars?


#6          (see all posts) 2007/10/17 (Wed) @ 13:08

It’s a tricky situation.  The club is providing a service (training football players) and charging a fee at the end (required contract).  It is unlikely that the kid’s family would have been able to pay a market price for attending the accademie.  If the player never makes it then the accademie loses out.  If every kid who can make any money jumps ship at 16 then the accademie will never make any money.  End of accademie = fewer top players. How would you set up appropriate compensation for these accademies?


#7    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2007/10/17 (Wed) @ 13:18

I agree with the general philosophy.  But that still doesn’t make it legally enforceable.  If I am not of age of consent, then I am not of age of consent.


#8    MGL      (see all posts) 2007/10/17 (Wed) @ 14:59

In #4, he says “signed by parents.”


#9    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2007/10/17 (Wed) @ 16:08

Then the club would need to sue the kid’s parents, not the kids.  I imagine the same applies for child labor, that if the Olsen twins had decided to not fulfill the contractual duties that their parents consented to, then the parents would be sued.

In affect, the parents are like enforcers for a crime syndicate.  If they can’t twist the arms of their kids, it’s the parents that pay the price.

Am I wrong?


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