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Monday, August 29, 2011

Poz and WPA: the story stat

By Tangotiger, 10:36 AM

Studes calls WPA the story stat.  A win expectancy chart (and its associated leverage index) gives you a numeric representation of how you feel watching the game.  Imagine that, how you feel, quantified.

Well, Poz unearths a gem of a game with WPA:

Well, Art Shamsky had the greatest WPA ever for a single game. His performance is the very peak of what man can do to win a baseball game. He homered to give his team the lead in the eighth, homered to tie it in the 10th, homered to tie it again in the 11th, there is not much more a baseball player can do. And so what happened? Art Shamsky’s Reds lost to the Pirates that day.

His WPA was +1.50.  Remember, with every team starting at 0.50, this means the winning team, as a team, will be +0.50, and the losing team will be -0.50.  With Shamsky at +1.50 as the losing team, this means that the rest of the team was -2.00!

Poz asks:

WPA—Win Probability Added—is one of the most interesting statistics out there, and to be honest I do not see why it has not become more popular among mainstream baseball fans. Maybe it needs a better presentation, a better name, a public relations person because WPA, it seems to me, speaks so clearly to what so many baseball fans love about baseball: The winning plays.

And he’s right.  WPA was first presented back with the Mills brothers 40 years ago.  The first time I talked about WPA was the day after the Cubs/Marlins game, easily the game where you can feel that something huge was happening after every play.  And when I posted it on my blog, the readers immediately got it.  (also see above chart)

Why do some people give it a bad rap?  Because they take the stat out of its comfort zone, the story stat, and lump it in with other stats, where they then try to dissect it, expose its limitations, and then decide that because of those limitations, it has no value whatsoever!  It’s like looking at OBP, seeing its limitations (BB = HR), and then deciding it’s crap.  Imagine that.  The person doesn’t know how to use a screwdriver, and then complains that it can’t hammer in a nail.  “Why do we need a screwdriver if I have a nail?” Well, how about I have a screw, and I need that Philips?

I believe the best way to sell WPA, WE, and LI is to hammer home those Cubs/Marlins/Game6 types of games.  Because those games can be explained, to a certain degree, numerically.  And once you can do that, once you have a process that you can categorize emotional games on a numeric scale, it then becomes possible to find games like Art Shamsky’s.

That’s why we quantify things: to find even more emotional games.


#1    Brent      (see all posts) 2011/08/30 (Tue) @ 11:51

You’re exactly right.  I’m surprised the mainstream media hasn’t taken to WPA when discussing the MVP races since it truly tells you which player was most valuable in terms of winning for his team from an offensive perspective (which is great for the mainstream media since they rarely take defense into account).


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/08/30 (Tue) @ 12:19

It doesn’t tell you who was most valuable.  It does tell you who was involved in events that had the most impact to winning the game.

You can decide to call that valuable, and I won’t disagree.  But the true definition of WPA is simply what I said: who was there when great (and terrible) things happened.  It makes NO CLAIM as to who was RESPONSIBLE for what happened.  It just says: “wow, Mark Prior was on the mound, when the Marlins were hitting the crap out of the ball when they most needed it”.

Indeed, you can say the same thing about all the stats, the K, the HR, the reaching on error.  Each of these is simply an accounting of who was INVOLVED, when those events occurred.  The responsibility, the ownership, of what those stats mean is something else (though obviously highly related to some extent, it is not interchangeable that just because they were involved, that they in fact own it).


#3    Greg Rybarczyk      (see all posts) 2011/08/30 (Tue) @ 12:54

That sounds like a real “can of worms” there.  I suppose you could say that when a guy hits a game-winning homer, it’s partly him and partly the pitcher who left a fastball over the plate, but is it also partly the catcher who called the pitch, and the manager who left the pitcher in, and the umpire who called a borderline pitch a ball on the previous pitch, and the guy in teh dugout who told the hitter to look for a fastball, etc.?

Seems like you could keep an argument like that going just as long as you wanted to…


#4    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/08/30 (Tue) @ 13:12

Well, that’s the messy truth. 

Do you prefer the tidy lie instead?  That’s fine, but then don’t go selling it as the truth…


#5          (see all posts) 2011/08/31 (Wed) @ 14:54

It does tell you who was involved in events that had the most impact to winning the game.

That’s a little too general for my preferences and experiences.

Results don’t just hgappen, they still follow the cause and effect activities that govern our physical world.

Whether the go ahead homer was because Joe nathan threw an 0-2 cockshot to ARod or because ARod blasted the ball out to center doesn;t really matter. What WPA measures is that ARod hit a go ahead homer that Joe nathan allowed.

Now, in a single game or a single at bat, a player’s WPA could be due to almost anything. But, over the course of a season, a player consistently adding WPA is doing good things in important situations. We sometimes reduce a player’s performance in situations like these because it represents opportunity as well as skill, when most times we’re just looking for skill or true talent in terms of value.

But in regards to MVP stuff, WPA should be a BIG factor. IMO.


#6    tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/08/31 (Wed) @ 16:06

"What WPA measures is that ARod hit a go ahead homer that Joe nathan allowed. “

ARod and Nathan were involved that resulted in a HR.  We’re still NOT talking about responsibility though.

“Now, in a single game or a single at bat, a player’s WPA could be due to almost anything. But, over the course of a season, a player consistently adding WPA is doing good things in important situations. “

You are right about a single game, but just presuming the “consistently adding” over 162 games.  You have no idea how many games you need for the signal to shine through.  You are just presuming that a whole season is enough.

The story of WPA is what happens during a single game.

The aggregation of it over a season is less useful, because now that story is being lost.  You aggregate WPA over a career, and it’s going to look awfully like Linear Weights.

Sell WPA on the single game aspect.  That’s its strength.


#7          (see all posts) 2011/08/31 (Wed) @ 19:29

Sell WPA on the single game aspect.  That’s its strength.

I agree with that.

However, I think it also has some real value in terms of single season MVP type stuff. Why do I pick that arbitrary time period? Simply because it’s the defined beginning and end of a baseball season.

2011 WPA/LI
-------------
Joey Bats --- 6.37
Cabrera --- 3.98
Grandy --- 3.82
AGonz --- 3.60
Ellsbury --- 2.84

Which guys are really helping their team the most?

Giving the MVP to anyone else is simply punishing Bautista for not having better teammates. But, IMO, we’re going to see Granderson as MVP because [1] he’s going to lead the league in homers and probably RBIs and finish on a division winner (to be fair, with regressed UZR, he probably only trails bautista in WAR by less than 1 WAR).

Tom, do you think that WPA for a single season should/could be a big factor in determining who the MVP could/should be? (Asking a genuine question)


#8    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/08/31 (Wed) @ 21:39

I’d make a huge distinction between WPA and WPA/LI.

That said, yes, WPA should play a role.


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