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Wednesday, September 28, 2011

Players having greater respect for other

By Tangotiger, 09:26 AM

When I was a kid, there was mutual respect on the field.  Tussles were actually fun.

When I got older, there was a shift.  In a friendly game, guys would spike slide into 2B, keep their hockey sticks high, drape themselves over the guy with the basketball.  One of my closest friends even instinctually stuck out his knee as I ran past him.  I was shocked.  He quickly apologized, obviously embarrassed that he would take his killer instinct out on me in such a friendly game.  It was a kill-or-be-killed attitude.  It works fine when you are being paid, but if you are playing on the weekend, that weekend warrior bullsh!t is just bullsh!t.  I like a good scrap when it’s all in fun, but not when the other guy is serious about it.  Hence, guys like me gravitated toward golf.

Brendan Shanahan, one of those warrior-type players in the NHL, who is now part of management and in a position to do something about sportsmanship:

While the play develops quickly, Colborne makes no sudden movements just prior to, or simultaneous with, the hit; placing the onus on Boyes not to hit him in the head. While I believe Boyes’ assertion that he did not intentionally target the head, this is a reckless hit and is now illegal.

I just love this.  There’s no better way to send a message than a only-Nixon-can-go-to-China approach (or Kirk-makes-peace-with-the-Klingons for some of you).  Players respect former players.

You don’t get that attitude shift in MLB (yet).  You still don’t get that separation between intentional and reckless.  Basically, as long as it’s not intentional, then being somewhat reckless is ok, just part of the game.  That’s bullsh!t.


#1    Lee      (see all posts) 2011/09/28 (Wed) @ 10:29

I get neither the Nixon nor the Kirk reference… dang.

As sports get more and more high octane through better training and nutrition, etc, (we’re likely close to that plateau, thankfully) we see real violence surface more and more. Frankly I’m surprised it took this long to precipitate into rule changes in hockey, but I’m glad the revolution has begun. You have to protect players, and the only way to truly do that is to instill attitude of “it is up to you to protect your opponent from serious injury”.

As for the vulnerability of catchers/middle infielders in baseball… the instances of real recklessness are just far more rare, and unfortunately the old guard will just never budge on something like this unless they are facing a mountain of resistance. Unless 3 more Posey’s go down next year, or 5 in the next two years, or something to that effect, nothing will change. Sad but true.


#2    JD      (see all posts) 2011/09/28 (Wed) @ 10:41

I absolutely love what Shanahan has done so far. We can all nitpick the individual explanations or suspension lengths, but the NHL is doing the right thing with the open and up front explanations. This is great for the fans and the players, who are quickly getting an idea of exactly what isn’t acceptable anymore. Couldn’t ask for more. That it comes from a respected former player - especially a guy who recently played the game - is even better.

Of course, the NHL totally dropped the ball by ignoring the Simmonds slur, so I don’t want to give them too much credit.


#3          (see all posts) 2011/09/28 (Wed) @ 14:01

In baseball, I totally agree that it’s bull----. It’s a game that can be played at a very high level entirely without physical contact, and should be.

In hockey, basketball, or football, I can totally rationalize the “overaggressive” behavior you’re describing. You would probably hate playing pick-up basketball with me.  smile It’s a great outlet for my aggressiveness and competitiveness - much better than channeling that type of energy into your relationships with your co-workers or your wife (where hyper-aggressiveness and competitiveness is destructive).

If you don’t have the same athletic gifts as other players in the sport, your tenacity is the only thing that allows you to compete with them.  That’s my situation in basketball, where my 1/2 inch vertical leap is an obstacle.


#4    matskralc      (see all posts) 2011/09/28 (Wed) @ 15:04

I get neither the Nixon nor the Kirk reference… dang.

Only an anti-communist like Nixon could have possibly opened up communication with China. Anybody else would have been seen as a commie sympathizer selling out America to the reds.

The Kirk reference...well, you got me there.


#5    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/09/28 (Wed) @ 16:09

ST 6: The Undiscovered Country references the Nixon-China link, as Kirk is the emissary to Klingon peace.


#6    Richard Bergstrom      (see all posts) 2011/09/29 (Thu) @ 17:00

I hate the way beanballs or intentionally hitting batters is somehow considered kosher/manly/"appropriate" in the “unwritten rules of baseball”. Just from a respect angle, people get in a tizzy if opposing players talk to each other before the game or on the field yet have no problems tweeting each other after the game. Some of the stuff is just silly.

For the record, I got both references. ST 6 was a cool movie.


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