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Monday, March 01, 2010

Pizza on the baseball pysche

By Tangotiger, 04:40 PM

This is exactly how I think about it too:

Sabermetricians do not understand the human element of the game. There, I said it. My question is, who died and made (insert favorite MSM punching bag) an expert on the human element? Oh sure, he probably played the game. But then, I drive a car every day, and I have no idea how the thing works. He probably talks a lot about the human element, but talking a lot about something and having an idea of what you’re saying are two different things. They’re called politicians.

I find it funny when sportscasters talk about, with absolute certainty, that a player can’t handle pressure or that he’s clearly being bothered by some event or other that happened in the past (Hi there, Mr. Lidge. I didn’t see you over there. Remember that home run you gave up five years ago? Would you like to see a replay?) It often drifts into the realm of practicing psychology without a license. Or sometimes, a clue.

I can’t say that I blame the pundits, reporters, and commentators for engaging in this sort of talk. They are, at their core, trying to produce an entertainment product for their audience, and people want to feel connected to the emotional experience of the game.

Right, exactly.

1. Saberists only (try to) understand what the data is telling them
2. Gasbags need to engage in gasbaggery
3. For some gasbags, after engaging in said gasbaggery, start to believe their own gasbaggery

It’s #3 that’s the problem.


#1    Mike Fast      (see all posts) 2010/03/01 (Mon) @ 17:15

There is much that falls within what is traditionally understood as the “human element” that is of great interest to (some?) saberists.

All the various investigations which could be loosely grouped under the heading of game theory are the prime example.

In addition, I find that interviews with players, coaches, etc., are some of the true nuggets of data in many an analysis, even if you have to grind through tons of ore to find them and even if you have to discard the occasional lump of iron pyrite.

I also find personally that seeing things with my eyes (through videos, photos, etc.) helps me greatly in my analysis.  It’s obviously also horribly inefficient compared to querying a database.  However, I find the two information sources complement each other.  In general, I believe that those who only use one source of information are poorer for it.  Of course, there are occasions when only one method or the other is much preferred. 

I can’t read the full article by Pizza, so perhaps he covered this, or perhaps it’s not relevant to his point, but I suppose that many of the main-stream writers either (1) feel much more able to analyze the game with their eyes than through the power of large digital data sets or (2) are mostly part of the game’s landscape because they love the narrative and don’t care much for “objective” knowledge about it.


#2    Pizza Cutter      (see all posts) 2010/03/01 (Mon) @ 19:02

Mike, you have entered the wonderful world of mixed methodology.


#3          (see all posts) 2010/03/02 (Tue) @ 09:28

If psychology is indeed a science, why can’t we have bloggers who discuss the science of sports psychology as we do sabermertics?  I would assume they would be able to make predictions based on their expert understanding of the human element, and those predictions would be based on repeatable models.

But I’m not holding my breath.


#4    Pizza Cutter      (see all posts) 2010/03/02 (Tue) @ 09:53

My cell biologist wife always laughs when I say this, but psychology really is a science.  (Don’t let pop culture portrayals to the contrary fool you.)

And if there are other psych-minded folks out there who like baseball…


#5    Mike Fast      (see all posts) 2010/03/02 (Tue) @ 11:12

Pizza, the Bill James article I was telling you about was “SQ, IQ” in his 1988 Abstract.  I haven’t been able to dig up my copy yet to read the whole thing, but here is the summary from Baseball Analysts:

http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2005/01/abstracts_from_23.php

In “SQ, IQ” James reviews speed quotient—a concept he introduced the year before—and unveils intelligence quotient as “another characteristic of a player that is useful both on offense and on defense.” He identifies five characteristics of an intelligent baseball player: (1) the tendency not to make errors, (2) command of the strike zone, (3) effective baserunning relative to speed, (4) consistency, and (5) growth.

Although speed scores “can be independently verified by watching players run. . .I can’t say that somebody is stupid unless I can support it.” James mentions Luis Salazar and Alfredo Griffin as players who have low intelligence scores even though the latter “is not regarded by those who know him as stupid, not at all.” James suggests that Griffin “may be smart, but he doesn’t play smart.” He believes Ozzie Smith would be the highest-rated player, followed by Raines, Carlton Fisk, Mike Schmidt, Gwynn, Keith Hernandez, Phil Bradley, Brian Downing, Mattingly, Eddie Murray, and Ryne Sandberg.[/quoo.e]

With the data we have available today, we should be able to come up with a better baseball IQ for hitters, maybe one for pitchers, to.


#6          (see all posts) 2010/03/04 (Thu) @ 00:03

It would be interesting to find out players’ IQs (or other mental measurements, if you prefer) and see how they correlate with baseball attributes, like the ones Bill suggests.  Wouldn’t that be awesome?  I think it would.


#7    Nick Steiner      (see all posts) 2010/03/04 (Thu) @ 03:09

As someone who taught college classes, GPA tells you almost nothing about anything.

And now I really wish Pizza was my teacher…


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