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Monday, February 22, 2010

Olympic Hockey data

By Tangotiger, 11:40 AM

From the never-rested Hawerchuk, I agree that the historical perspective that is being given out is ridiculous.  Canada v USA has for more history than what you see in the Olympics.  And, I found the good v bad data interesting.  The top-7 teams score an average of 4.8 goals and allow 1.3 goals.  Since hockey scoring follows the Poisson distribution pretty closely, we can figure out the chance that a good team should beat a bad team.  I get 89.6% wins, 6.1% ties, and 4.3% losses.  I figure that the better team will win 79% of the ties (4.8 divided by 4.8+1.3), so a final win% of 94.4%.  (The tie-breaker only works if you play sudden death.  If it’s a 5 minute OT, followed by shootout, then the chance of winning the ties will go down somewhat.)

So, the Vegas odds should be around 17:1 that a bad team beats a good team.  What are they actually showing?


#1    Tyler      (see all posts) 2010/02/22 (Mon) @ 12:18

That’s funny that you come up with 95% or so Tom.  I was talking to a friend about this last night and said I figured we had to be at least 90% to take out Germany, to which he responded that he would put $10K on that at those odds.  Canada’s stronger than the typical good team and Germany’s probably weaker so he’s probably bang on.

This is frustrating hockey to watch.  It just kills me that we’ve evolved from a system of “Pick the best goalie who plays for the coach or GM of Team Canada” to one in which a goalie holds the spot until he is decisively dethroned.  Hopefully that’s the end of Brodeur in the Canadian nets - Luongo dropping butterfly after butterfly would have looked great last night, particularly on the asinine fourth American goal.


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/02/22 (Mon) @ 12:29

I really couldn’t believe how Marty Brodeur took himself out of position so many times, and that led to goals.  Really, it’s like he acted frustrated or something. 

You must be thinking of 1987 when rookie Hextall beat out sophomore Patrick Roy for third slot, and Fuhr got the first slot?  I still remember that.  Hextall got pulverized in some practice game while Roy gave up 1 goal or something.  And Hextall made it.  Kelly Hrudey, my favorite until Hasek came along, was #2.

But, yeah, good call. 

And it would be really stupid to have Brodeur play 3 games in 4 mights, when Luongo is there.


#3    Tyler      (see all posts) 2010/02/22 (Mon) @ 12:54

It’s actually more extensive than you realize.  Bowman didn’t start his guy (Don Edwards) in 1981 - they ran with Mike Liut.  In 1984, 1987, 1991 and 1996, Sather ran the show and the goalies were Fuhr, Fuhr, Ranford and Joseph.  1998 was Marc Crawford in Nagano - Patrick Roy.  2002 was Pat Quinn and Joseph got the nod in game one against Sweden.  Brodeur took it away from him and has held it ever since - possibly the only goalie to have the position entirely on merit since 1981.


#4          (see all posts) 2010/02/22 (Mon) @ 13:39

I switched to six hours of sleep a night plus a three-minute nap in the afternoon in order to increase my posting frequency.


#5          (see all posts) 2010/02/22 (Mon) @ 16:32

I believe the US was about a 2.1:1 underdog yesterday ... giving them an expected 32% chance of beating Canada.  Seems reasonable to me.

Canada was 1.1:1 (48%) to win by 2 goals or more.


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