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Saturday, January 14, 2012

NCAA has a reserve clause?

By Tangotiger, 05:45 PM

Apparently they do:

There was one problem, however. Even though O’Brien was a bench warmer, Martelli, O’Brien said, was furious when he found out the player was leaving. As O’Brien later recounted to Sports Illustrated, when he told his coach that he was going to be attending Alabama-Birmingham for graduate school, Martelli responded with an expletive-laced tirade, vowing to block him from finishing his course work, and even threatening to sue him.

In a second meeting a few days later, according to O’Brien and his lawyer, Martelli told him that he would either “be playing at St. Joe’s next year or not playing anywhere.” O’Brien had already ascertained that there was no N.C.A.A. impediment to him playing for another school. It has a special rule for athletes like him — graduate students with remaining eligibility — allowing them to enroll in another university without having to sit out a year. The rule also states, though, that the player’s previous school has to agree to “release” him. St. Joe’s, clearly acting at Martelli’s behest, refused to sign the necessary paperwork.

Let’s put aside the question of why college athletes usually have to sit out a year when they transfer, even though coaches can switch schools at the drop of a hat. That’s a column for another day. Let’s focus instead on O’Brien’s plight. How can a student who has graduated from one institution be prevented from participating in an extracurricular activity at a different school? How can a miffed coach’s pique control the activities of a student who doesn’t even play for him anymore? Can a music teacher who is angry at a violin student prevent him from playing in another school’s orchestra? The very idea is absurd. Why is it any less absurd when the student is an athlete? Why is it any less wrong? Yet that is precisely what the N.C.A.A.’s rules make possible.

Glove-slap: Gabe.


#1          (see all posts) 2012/01/14 (Sat) @ 19:04

It’s really hard to imagine how a school can have any rights over someone once it’s awarded him a degree.  He’s now an alumnus, not a student.  I’ll bet their development office is sending him appeals for contributions. 

Per the article, St. Joe’s didn’t even offer a graduate program in the field he’s studying at UAB.  What is he supposed to do, commute to practices and games (and at his own expense, of course, since anything else would be “extra benefits")?  Only go to grad school near St. Joe’s, which assumes there were appropriate programs nearby and he could be accepted there and afford them?  And that would be a bit more of a problem at, say, the University of Wyoming, which is nowhere near another school. 

Two things really irk me here in particular.  He’d only had the extra year of eligibility because he’d been forced by NCAA rules to sit out a year after he’d transferred to St. Joe’s in the first place.  He apparently took advantage of the opportunity by being a full time student for a year, thus fulfilling his degree requirements in four years.  I’d love to hear the justification for penalizing that behavior.

And finally, this is allegedly a religious school (although it seems more like a basketball program that is attached to a religious school from their behavior).  How the religious authorities in charge of the school can tolerate a coach making a comment like that about any person, let alone a graduate, is beyond me. 

What this is is another instance of the way the NCAA and its athletic programs seem to exist solely within their own universe, without reference to the real world outside.


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2012/01/14 (Sat) @ 19:35

The NCAA awards scholarships.  That means we can absolve them of everything they do with regards to anti-Americanism.

(Dripping sarcasm for those new around here.)


#3    KJOK      (see all posts) 2012/01/15 (Sun) @ 04:04

The rule is spelled out in detail here:

http://www.ncaa.org/blog/2012/01/transfer-101/


#4    Rory      (see all posts) 2012/01/15 (Sun) @ 04:12

O’Brien needs to go all Tom Cruise in All The Right Moves on Martelli and tell him, “You’re just a coach.  You’re just a high school football coach.”

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/mv-P9rf/youre_just_a_high_school_football_coach/


#5          (see all posts) 2012/01/15 (Sun) @ 07:37

From #3 link:  “It lived on as a very standard waiver which was relatively easy to get, provided you qualified for it. To qualify, the student-athlete needed to graduate, enroll in a graduate program not offered by the first institution, and receive permission from the first institution to be granted the waiver (like the one-time transfer exception).”

And the reason for the third requirement that was for the benefit of the student-athlete, as opposed to being an anticompetitive action akin to the ways a slave master set rules for his slaves was what exactly? (that is a rhetorical question unless someone from the NCAA would like to contribute)


#6    MGL      (see all posts) 2012/01/15 (Sun) @ 15:10

Seems like a bum deal for O’brien, although I would like to hear the NCAA, Martelli, and St. Joe’s side of the story.

For some reason it rubs me the wrong way that students like O’brien, who is not going to turn pro, put such emphasis on their sports careers in college. I’m not siding with the NCAA in this instance, but to some extent, it is a privilege to play college sports and yes, they get to make the rules.

Also, does the fact that he was on an athletic scholarship have anything to do with this rule being applied?


#7          (see all posts) 2012/01/16 (Mon) @ 14:10

sounds like martelli is a real jerk. its a shame when people abuse the system. to see how the transfer profess is supposed to work, look up Russell Wilson.


#8    ksclacktc      (see all posts) 2012/01/16 (Mon) @ 19:33

From link at #3 “At their best, transfers are a way of life in college athletics. At their worst, transfers are an all too necessary evil. The fact is with 400,000 student-athletes who make a major life decision at 16–18 years old,[1] there is bound to be some amount of transfer activity. All sorts of ideas have been tried to reduce the transfer rate, with varying degrees of success, but it will never be reduced to zero.”

Why is a transfer such bad thing? I don’t get it.


#9    Lexl Logan      (see all posts) 2012/01/16 (Mon) @ 23:40

Throw in the fact that if Martelli had decided to recruit someone to replace O’Brien, he could’ve dropped his scholarship at any time.

I love this story. It so perfectly illustrates the evil, twisted nature of NCAA sports. I hope it gets plenty of attention.


#10    Michael K      (see all posts) 2012/01/17 (Tue) @ 01:12

For some reason it rubs me the wrong way that students like O’brien, who is not going to turn pro, put such emphasis on their sports careers in college.

He’s not going to be drafted by the NBA.  But keep in mind he’s 7-feet tall.  If he were to have an unspectacular but solid season that proves he could be a very useful player at the NCAA Division I level, he would absolutely have opportunities to pursue basketball professionally overseas.  I have no idea if that’s a goal of his or not; the second-tier international leagues don’t make players wealthy in US-dollar terms, but for many the experience is well worth it.  Assuming he doesn’t play another game, it would be far less likely for those kind of opportunities to be available to him.

I would like to hear the NCAA, Martelli, and St. Joe’s side of the story

So would Andy Katz of ESPN and Seth Davis of Sports Illustrated and others.  The national media has been pressing St. Joe’s for it’s side of the story, and the school and the coach has declined to make any substantive comment.  According to Seth Davis, O’Brien offered—against the advice of his attorney—to sign a blanket waiver of his student privacy rights so that St. Joe’s could comment freely, and the school declined.


#11          (see all posts) 2012/01/17 (Tue) @ 08:25

As to the other side of the O’Brian story, some hunting on the web produces four different cover stories: 

1.  He was somehow involved with the theft of a laptop by another player.  Per the school, however, he was exonerated after being suspended last season pending an investigation.

2.  He was allegedly caught smoking pot.  The problem with both of these two stories, however is that St. Joe’s was fine with him riding the pine on their bench this season, just not someone else’s.  That would argue in favor of dumping him and releasing him, not holding him to the program.

3.  He waited too long to tell the coach he was leaving and so couldn’t be replaced.  But, again, he wasn’t going to play much anyway and the school did fill out a form allowing him to talk to other schools (and knew he was planning to graduate since he took his picture with Martelli at commencement in the spring).

4.  He used up his scholarship by taking summer classes he needed to graduate.  But his family offered to pay for the credits plus see the comments to 3; Martelli also allegedly threatened to get him unenrolled in his last classes, which seems nothing more than vindictive. 

Four cover stories (even if all based on unnamed sources and the like) are always worse than one, because it’s hard to see how any of them would be the motivation here. 

There’s also some weird stuff at the NCAA level.  Apparently, the waiver committee needed three votes to overrule St. Joe’s.  One of the members of the committee recused himself because he represented a school in UAB’s conference and wasn’t replaced, meaning it would take three votes from four committee members.  That’s an odd way of recusal, because it turns the missing member into an automatic “no” vote. 

I return, though, to Tango’s original point:  what is the justification for the NCAA allowing an institution a veto over a “transfer” when the rule already requires the student to have both graduated and be enrolled in a graduate program his original institution did not offer?  Apparently, since the rule came in five years ago, St. Joe’s is the only school to use the right, so it can’t be very important, but what is the justification for it in the first place?  A private school like St. Joe’s is pretty much free to decide on its degree requirements and is of course free to decide what, if any, graduate programs to offer.  So short of it being a “reserve clause”, what is its purpose and how does that purpose fit in with the alleged purpose of the NCAA in the first place?


#12    Michael K      (see all posts) 2012/01/17 (Tue) @ 12:27

#11:
I think you mis-characterized the first cover story.  Here is the relevant quote from Seth Davis’ column:

...the university investigated his potential role in a teammate’s theft of a computer laptop. That investigation cleared O’Brien of any wrongdoing.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/01/09/Todd.O.Brien/index.html


#13          (see all posts) 2012/01/17 (Tue) @ 22:00

#12:  Not sure what your comment means.  If you read pro-St. Joe’s comment boards, they bring up the laptop (some claim he knew and didn’t do anything about it, and that his suspension was punishment) as a reason O’Brian doesn’t deserve anything from St. Joe’s and if you read anti-St. Joe’s comment boards they make the point that the suspension was only pending investigation and that he was exonerated and allowed to play again.  I wasn’t just relying on one source, but a lot of different ones, mainly numerous comments on fan boards, where people alleged they knew the “real” story; I didn’t link because it’s hard to link to five or six comments on a single board.


#14    Michael K      (see all posts) 2012/01/18 (Wed) @ 00:34

#13: Maybe it’s a nitpick on my part, but it’s hard to see how “involved” and “exonerated” are compatible.

I haven’t seen any comment board, just the media reports (which say he was suspected of knowing about the theft after the fact but ultimately cleared of any wrongdoing).


#15          (see all posts) 2012/01/18 (Wed) @ 01:13

No, the words are not intended to be compatible.  That is why the word “however” was inserted into the second sentence.  It tells you that the second sentence contradicts the first sentence. 

The comments on these and any other college sports websites are simply amazing in their way.  People not only claim to have inside information about a whole range of things that, as St. Joseph’s takes pains to say over and over officially, it would be illegal for them to know about the reasons actions were taken as to a college student, they also have no hesitancy in saying thing about what are after all just 18-22 year old kids that are, in the boards I frequent, usually reserved for talking about either millionaire athletes or politicians in their fifties and older.


#16          (see all posts) 2012/01/18 (Wed) @ 03:28

For some reason it rubs me the wrong way that students like O’brien, who is not going to turn pro, put such emphasis on their sports careers in college.

Speaking from experience ...

Because once you leave college you never get to play in an environment like that again.

I stopped playing baseball after my junior year once I realized I probably wasn’t getting drafted/signed and focused on my academics (for a change).

I think about that remaining year of eligibility all the time. I’m 38 and have a pretty good professional career (and family). Nothing in my career compares to the environment/experience of playing competitive college sports. When it’s over. It’s really over. Really, really over.

When I win the lottery .... that last year of eligibility is getting used. I completely understand why a student-athlete would be so concerned with their sports. It’s a limited-time offer.


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