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Friday, August 27, 2010

Move over Carlos Ruiz, make way for Andres Torres

By Tangotiger, 11:37 AM

Entering 2011, Andres Torres will have 3+ years of service, making him eligible for arbitration.  That means that as long as the Giants keep offering him arbitration for 2011, 2012, and 2013, he’s stuck with them.  He has been a free agent multiple times prior to 2009, back when he was considered no good.  Now that he’s considered good, well, that’s off the table.  Entering 2014, he’ll once more be a free agent.  He’ll be 36 when that happens.

Andres Torres is the kind of guy, like Carlos Ruiz, that the MLBPA simply throws to the wolves, uninterested in closing the gaps in the CBA.  There’s no reason that the Giants need to maintain exclusive control on Andres Torres.

The entire point of the “6 years of service” rule is so that the teams that developed those players in the minor leagues for 1-4 years aren’t left with nothing to show for it after 2 or 3 years.  It’s clear that there should be an age-based threshhold (in addition to service years), that once a player is say 29 years old, then the service time rule no longer applies.  (The NHL uses age 27 as one threshhold, and since NHL players peak about 2 years before MLB player, then 29 would seem to be a fair point.)

I doubt that MLB and MLBPA care about doing the right thing here.  This is a negotiating point, so that means MLBPA has to give up something to get that.  Since this gap in the CBA has such little value to the MLBPA membership (and MLB teams too) OVERALL, what would be a fair trade to add in an age-29 free agency threshhold?


#1    Rally      (see all posts) 2010/08/28 (Sat) @ 11:09

R.A. Dickey, 35 years old, just over 4 years service entering 2010, so the Mets will be able to bring him to arbitration for 2011.  He debuted in 2001, has played at least part of 8 MLB seasons, and is in his 14th professional season.

On the bright side, he’s probably got a decade of pitching left as a knuckleballer who finally learned to be effective.


#2    philly      (see all posts) 2010/08/28 (Sat) @ 16:13

I still think Ruiz is a better example simply because he’s never had free agency at all whereas Torres and Dickey may have “only” had free agency when they weren’t any good, but at least they had it.


#3    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/08/28 (Sat) @ 20:02

Having free agency when your maximum offer is 500,000$ is not really the point here, is it?  That’s free agency in name only.


#4    Neil S      (see all posts) 2010/08/28 (Sat) @ 20:28

Just wondering - how do guys like Torres, Ruiz, and Dickey put together their list of comparables for the arbitrator? Are they just going to compare them to 25 year olds with similar career numbers at the MLB level?


#5    philly      (see all posts) 2010/08/28 (Sat) @ 21:27

Having free agency when your maximum offer is 500,000$ is not really the point here, is it?  That’s free agency in name only.

Hmm, I’m not so sure.  I suppose if being able to maximize your earnings, then it’s free agency in name only.

But this issue is often brought up in terms of basic fairness and the simple opportunity to choose where one works. In terms of principle and fairness there is no such thing as free agency in name only.


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