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Monday, July 24, 2006

More WPA

By Tangotiger, 07:35 AM

Studes takes another look at WPA over at Hardball Times.

I would also suggest to newcomers to read the previous blog entry on this topic here

Now, as for the specific mechanics…


1. BaseRuns is appropriate for pitchers, not for batters.  Linear Weights is appropriate for batters, not for pitchers.  But, in a pinch, it really doesn’t matter.  They’re both close enough.

2. The clutch calculation should be WPA - (Runs*RPW*LI).  It doesn’t look like Studes used the LI part (but I can’t tell).  The RPW should be close to 11 or so.  You could make the argument that you want WPA/LI - Runs*RPW.  It may look weird, but that first term is really sum(WPA) / average(LI).  So, a guy can get an LI of 1.00 on average, but if he can pump up his good outings in high-leverage situations, he’ll get the benefit of his clutch performance.  The second equation makes things fairer, especially when you include relievers.

3. He keeps saying things like 17 WPA points (or 34 wins).  In fact, if you are talking about WPA points, which is win points above AVERAGE, the you need to talk about wins above AVERAGE.  Saying “34 wins” really is misleading, because you don’t know what the basis is.

4. To get wins and losses out of WPA, you have to understand that WPA is itself the result of win advancement (WA) minus loss advancement (LA).  I would much prefer that everyone who produces WPA-type charts to include the win and loss advancements.  The Mills Brothers’ Player Win Average for example, did win points / (win + loss points).  It’s a very nice display, and I would show this in conjunction to win points minus loss points (or WPA).

Anyway, to reverse engineer WPA into WA and LA, you should understand that an LA is caused by an out.  An out, on average, is worth around .026 or .027 wins.  More specifically, it’s .027 * LI.  So, if you have 15,643 starter innings, at an LI of .96, and their overall WPA is +4 wins, then we get this:
LA = 15643 * 3 * .027 * .96 = 1216
WA = LA + WPA = 1220

You will also realize that for a team, the WA and LA will have no bearing on their actual wins and losses, but that their WA minus LA will exactly equally the team W minus L.

In the typical case, if you have a team that has 91 W and 71 L, their WA and LA will be around 123 and 103.

#1    studes      (see all posts) 2006/07/24 (Mon) @ 09:57

Thanks, Tango.  I used LI for pitchers, not batters.


#2    dan      (see all posts) 2006/07/24 (Mon) @ 11:16

Good stuff.  I enjoy seeing analysis of pitcher WPA, since I’ve mired myself in just hitters.

Speaking of, just because I was curious, a little comparison of Studes’ ClWPA leaders vs. the Clutchiness leaders.  I guess for formatting it’s just easiest to list my leaders and parenthetically note position on Studes’ list.

Albert Pujols (2)
Geoff Jenkins (1)
Ken Griffey Jr. (7)
Melvin Mora (3)
Jeff Francoeur (12)
Ryan Zimmerman (5)
Orlando Cabrera (16)
Mark Loretta (4)
Jay Payton (19)
Curtis Granderson (15)
Gabe Gross (17)
Derek Jeter (6)
Jacque Jones (23)
Marcus Giles (26)
Michael Young (11)
Alex Cintron (20)
Ty Wigginton (13)
Hank Blalock (21)

One question for Studes though: when/where are your WPA numbers from?  The thing that first jumped out at me was listing Pujols as the top batter at 5.52, when I’ve got him at 6.71 through Saturday and FanGraphs has him currently at 6.75.


#3    tangotiger      (see all posts) 2006/07/24 (Mon) @ 11:28

I think he noted in the article that it was through the ASG.


#4    dan      (see all posts) 2006/07/24 (Mon) @ 11:32

Ah yes, I see.  There’s my ability to read-and-retain for you.


#5    studes      (see all posts) 2006/07/24 (Mon) @ 11:48

Right, it’s the All Star break.  Dan, I hadn’t seen your site before.  Very nice.


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