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Saturday, March 13, 2010

More Bill James (Spun) Gold

By , 07:18 PM

Also in The Gold Mine is an essay on page 49 entitled, “Explaining Defensive Win Shares to a Deceased Sportswriter.  I assume the schtick is akin to explaining it as if you were speaking to a 6 year old child - IOW, so that anyone can understand it.  After all if an anti-stats (according to Bill) sports journalist from the 50’s can understand it…

Well, that may have been his intention, but I don’t follow his explanation at all. I really don’t.  Not at all.  Maybe someone can explain it to me.

Bill’s premise is this:

If two fielders are exactly the same on defense on the field (such as if they had the same UZR at the same position), but one is the better hitter (uses up fewer outs on offense, as Bill puts it), then that player has more defensive value.  Huh?  Keep in mind that I am not saying that it is not true - only that I do not understand his logic.

James says:

So-and-so is better in the field because he makes fewer outs on offense (even though both players’ defensive stats are exactl;y the same), because making outs increases the team’s responsibility to play defense.  Therefore if two players are the same in the field but one of them makes more outs (on offense), the one who makes fewer outs has to come out ahead when you compare the player’s defensive contribution to his defensive responsibility

I think this is only true if you go by “defense per PA on offense” or something like that, rather than comparing players based on defense per innings played or something like that.  And I think it is also only true if you consider any defense at all “credit.” If you only consider defense that is above average “credit” then I think that if a bad offensive player is a good defensive player, then he should get more credit on defense because he limits the amount of time he spends on the field per PA, but that is only if you consider a team full of players like that, as in his RC.  Or something like that…

Maybe James is just a much deeper thinker than I.

Speaking of James and deep thinking…

For some reason, he continues to slight me.  I don’t think he has ever mentioned my name in print or in person (as far as I know).  For example, in the same article, he says this:

(Referring to advanced fielding metrics and the people who “invented” them) Like John Dewan, or Tom Tippett, or Tom Tango, and Dave Pinto

.

He might as well have said, “but not Mitchel Lichtman.” Now, I don’t care. I really don’t.  In fact, I find it amusing.  I have actually had several cordial e-mail conversations with Bill.  I spoke to him briefly in person a couple of years ago and when I mentioned who I was, he acted as if he had never heard of me.

I don’t know whether any of this is intentional or not (my guess is that Bill would say that it is not), but I think it might have to do with the fact that I have criticized him many times over the years.  Nothing harsh, I don’t think, but definitely criticism.

Why have I criticized him?  First of all, let me say (and I have also said this many times) that I think that he is a pioneer, a brilliant thinker, and a very good writer, and I owe him an enormous amount of gratitude for inspiring what I love to do - study baseball.  Like most saberists, my early inspiration was James, along with Pete Palmer.

That being said, because he thinks outside the box quite a bit and is not afraid to articulate those thoughts, and because he is such a creative thinker and writer, he is going to be subject to criticism.  I am just the opposite when it comes to my thinking, my writing, and my work in general. It is cut and dried, I don’t like to posit anything unless I am pretty certain it is true, I don’t like speculation, and when I am not sure of something, I make sure I say so.  I do not consider myself much of a creative or deep thinker.  In most case, I take other people’s ideas and run with them.  That is just the way I am. Because of that, I tend to insulate myself (not intentionally) from substantive criticism. I get plenty of criticism about my style and perceived personality, but those are usually just ad hominem attacks - who cares about those?

I’ll end with one last criticism of Bill’s work so that he can never breathe my name as long as he lives. wink

He has an essay at the end of The Gold Mine.  I think he printed the same a while ago on his web site.  It is called “Cooperstown and the ‘roids.”

If you have not read it, he basically says that 30 or 50 years from now, everyone will be taking steroids to prolong their life and that we will look at steroid users in baseball as pioneers rather than pariahs and they will all be in the HOF (the ones who are worthy of course, independent of steroid use).

I believe his premise in general is preposterous, although it is possible.  In particular some of the (speculative) claims he makes in the article are beyond preposterous.  I am not really sure why he writes stuff like this.  I don’t think it adds to his reputation to be honest.  Then again, it is perhaps an example of how he is not afraid to speak his mind in a creative and out of the box fashion and perhaps I am being too harsh on him using my personal standards to judge his work - and that might be unfair.

Anyway, examples of statements I consider “beyond preposterous” from his article:

We will learn to control the health risks of these drugs (steroids or the like), or we will develop alternatives to them.  Once that happens, people will start living to age 200 or 300 or 1,000...If you look into the future 40 or 50 years, I think it is quite likely that every citizen will routinely take anti-aging pills every day.

Now, I don’t know exactly how he would define “quite likely” but I assume it means “more than 50% likely” and the word “every” is not ambiguous.  I will gladly wager my childrens’ inheritance that in 50 years “not everyone will be taking anti-aging drugs” and I’ll even grant him “95% of the adult population” as the equivalent of “everyone,” just to be nice.  And I’ll lay him 2-1.  Or 10-1.  Or whatever he wants, because the chances of that occurring are very close to zero.  Bill says “quite likely” and I say “almost zero chance.”

And, at the end of the day, Mark McGwire is going to be in the HOF, and Roger Clemens, and Rafael Palmeiro, and probablyh even Barry Bonds.

Wow!  While I don’t think the chances of all of them eventually getting in are very near zero, I’ll also gladly wager everything I have that not all of them will ever make it into the HOF.  And I think he has it backwards. If any of them will get in, it will be Bonds, because he is HOF caliber with or without steroids. Clemens is too. Sosa, McGwire, and Palmeiro - we can easily make an argument that they are not.

Anyway, I don’t know why he writes this hyperbole.  I don’t think he can possibly mean what he says. Or maybe he does…


#1    mfan      (see all posts) 2010/03/13 (Sat) @ 21:12

I haven’t read the article so I am probably missing some context.  However, the idea that the level of a player’s offensive contribution affects the value of his defensive contribution seems reasonable.  Assume, for a moment, that we agree that a player’s value is captured by his impact on expected wins and ignore, say, the changing value of a win as a team moves from 70 to 80 to 90 wins and so on.  In this case, the value of a run saved (i.e. the impact on expected wins) should change based on the number of runs a team scores and/or gives up, seemingly with the most value on a team that scores about the same number of runs as it gives up.  That is, the team that scores as many as it gives up is on a margin that creates a lot of high leverage situations as they are presumably in a lot of close games. 

So, holding all else constant, it seems reasonable that a greater offensive contribution would change the value of runs saved.  However, I’m at a loss to explain the direction of the effect in the same way he does.  Based on my explanation above, the value of the defensive contribution would depend on where the team he was on was at on the runs scored/runs allowed spectrum.  Note that this does not mean that one player is a better defender than another, just that the value to his team of his contributions was higher. 

I am not sure what he means by “defensive responsibility.” It seems the proper way to evaluate a player’s ability is through their impact on expected wins.  There are at least two ways to do that:  1.  context-neutral (UZR etc.); 2.  context-dependent (as I’ve written above).  Either way, it seems we should be valuing players based on their contribution to expected wins not some “defensive responsibility.” He’s a smart man so he probably means something that makes sense, but I don’t know what it is.


#2          (see all posts) 2010/03/13 (Sat) @ 21:31

I’ll tell you what the whole thing means:

Because the AL decided to have someone always bat for the pitcher and sit on his ass when his team is in the field, I need some way to get defensive win shares to work. This is it.

This doesn’t make it wrong, mind you, but this is the reason.


#3    MGL      (see all posts) 2010/03/13 (Sat) @ 22:03

mfan, you might be right, but that is not what he is talking about.


#4          (see all posts) 2010/03/13 (Sat) @ 22:09

I honestly would not be surprised if Bill James didn’t really know much about who you are.  You know better than I do, because you’ve had conversations with him and such, but my impression is that he doesn’t get out much on the internet and read the blogs.

Just an impression ... there are times in the Q&A on his website that he wasn’t familiar with something I was sure he’d be familiar with.

BTW, I had a fairly public disagreement with him a few years ago, and when I ran into him a month later at the SABR convention, he was very cordial.  He only said a sentence or two, but he went out of his way to apologize for missing my presentation.  So I doubt it’s a grudge or anything.

On the other hand, what the hell do I know about what Bill James is thinking?  I probably shouldn’t even speculate.


#5    Kincaid      (see all posts) 2010/03/13 (Sat) @ 22:21

Even if you consider the different run impacts of a run saved for different team run differentials, it would only make a minuscule difference.  Say you have a team that would both score and allow 750 runs, and you replace one average fielder on that team with a +10 fielder so that they score 750 runs and allow 740 runs.  Using PythagenPat (exponent of .28), I get that team as expected to win 82.012 games, which means the fielder added 1.012 wins.

Now say you replaced that +10 fielder with another equivalent fielder, but who was also a +50 hitter, so that the team now scores 800 runs and allows 740.  Now the impact of that same 10 runs fielding is the difference between an 800/750 run team and an 800/740 run team, which I get, using PythagenPat again, as 1.008 wins.  So the difference in the impact of the same 10 fielding runs for an average hitter and a +50 hitter on that team is just .004 wins.  For any reasonable run-scoring environment, the difference a player’s offensive value makes in how much impact his fielding value has is negligible.  Plus, like mfan said, you can’t even know what direction that tiny difference is in without knowing what kind of team he is on.  So James’ claim must be completely unrelated, and he must feel that it is much more substantial than this effect.


#6    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/03/13 (Sat) @ 22:49

I get the feeling that James doesn’t hold grudges.  I don’t think anyone was as publicly tough on Win Shares as I was.  And he’s nice enough to me.

He’s got a weird vibe with other analysts.  He says he doesn’t get into the kind of stuff we do, but, how could he not appreciate all the legitimate criticisms of Win Shares that I gave?  Indeed, wouldn’t he WANT that?

Anyway, he can take a punch, I’ll give him that.


#7          (see all posts) 2010/03/13 (Sat) @ 23:28

Actually, mgl, I think the issue is more on the definition of “anti-aging”.  Are anti-oxidants an anti-aging pill?  Fish oil?  What about those expensive “anti-aging” skin creams?

I agree with his point though… I do think we’re going to be taking things like HGH in the future.  You can already get it prescribed legally for certain conditions.  Next, it will be prescribable for people below, say, the 10th percentile in height or weight (much like my insurance company covers preemie formula if my child is below the 10th percentile of his gestational peers in weight).  And eventually, it will be the case that HGH is an over-the-counter supplement.

It’s times like this that I fear for the decisions my kid and his kid(s) will have to face in their lifetimes.


#8          (see all posts) 2010/03/14 (Sun) @ 04:42

I was doing some original research on sources from 1945.  They predicted with certainty that the gasoline automobile would be replaced by the atomic-powered one by the end of the century.  That’s about what I think of James’s prediction about steroids, and also about human life expectancy going up to 200 years.


#9    Bookie      (see all posts) 2010/03/14 (Sun) @ 06:50

@8 Breadbaker:

These sort of examples can go either way. 

In the late 1980’s it was believed that it would take a 100 years to sequence the human genome.

Although they were dead wrong about the atomic car, things like the iphone, internet, or Doppler radar were unfathomable.

Anyway, I think to a certain extent Bill is right. As someone stated above, I guess it depends on what your definition “anti-aging” pills is, but it’s hard for me to imagine people NOT taking some sort of anti-aging pills 50 years down the line.

Now, I’m not sure about a 200 year or 1000 year life span, but I’d like to think that life expectancy will be longer than it is today—possibly much longer.

For the most part, technology grows exponentially, not linearly; It’s quite difficult to imagine what the future holds.  But I think assuming that the future is NOT going to be a certain way is no more silly than thinking the future WILL be a certain way.  We just don’t know for sure.


#10    Brian Cartwright      (see all posts) 2010/03/14 (Sun) @ 07:32

Today I was listening to a ‘Dragnet’ radio episode from 1953, and the witness told Joe Friday the perp was ‘a mountain of a man’ at 6-2 and 215 lbs.

Awhile ago I saw a newspaper clipping from 1971 or 1972 of a NCAA Div II football game between IUP and Hillsdale, where the paper covering IUP whined about the ‘huge, NFL size’ players at Hillsdale, where every linebacker went 220 lbs.

Even as recently as 1990 the Steelers had two Pro Bowl offensive linemen under 6 feet tall (Terry Long & Carlton Haselrig)


#11    Rally      (see all posts) 2010/03/14 (Sun) @ 15:47

Jimmy Foxx, 6’0 and 195.  They called him the beast.  I’ve got 3 inches on him and only a few pounds short.  I wish I could go back in time and play ball against the guys from the 1800’s or early century.  I may not have been any good but maybe my size alone would have made me their Jim Rice.


#12          (see all posts) 2010/03/14 (Sun) @ 17:34

I don’t know enough to know whether extended life expectancy is “very likely” to go up that much that quickly, but there are a number of futurists who believe that it is coming soon.  Ray Kurzweil, one of the most prominent of these theorists, even has a plan to “live long enough to live forever”, and I think he even has a book that outlines his diet and regimen that he believes will keep him alive long enough to reach the point where technology essentially renders death obsolete.

Again—I don’t know at all and it sure sounds unbelievable.  But Bill James isn’t really on the fringe on this, based off of the excerpts quoted here.  Some serious people think this is right around the corner.


#13    dan      (see all posts) 2010/03/14 (Sun) @ 19:24

Here’s a line from the movie Talladega Nights, starring Will Ferrell:

Ricky Bobby: No one lives forever, no one. But with advances in modern science and my high level income, it’s not crazy to think I can live to be 245, maybe 300. Heck, I just read in the newspaper that they put a pig heart in some guy from Russia.


#14    MGL      (see all posts) 2010/03/14 (Sun) @ 20:09

There is a difference between what is possible and what is likely.  People who try and make money by writing books write about what is possible and make it seem as if it is likely or flat out state that it is likely.  Scientists and reasonable, honest people, make a clear distinction between what is possible and what is likely.  It is NOT likely that lifespans will be 200 years in 50 years. Heck, we could never sustain all those people.  It is also not likely that “everyone” will be taking anti-aging pills in 40 years. Possible?  Sure (actually it is not possible that EVERYONE will be taking any sort of pill). Likely?  Unequivocably, no!  Seriously, is there anyone on this thread that stated that none of this is possible?

If you want to set the bar for James just off the ground, that’s fine by me…


#15          (see all posts) 2010/03/14 (Sun) @ 20:27

This quote blew me away:

“If one player makes more outs than the others, then one team makes more outs than the other.  If one team makes more outs than the other, they must play one more inning of defense. “

You make more outs than the other team by losing on the road, so I see the logic of more outs by a player (relative to another) contributing to road losses where the team makes more outs than the home team (27 to 24).  But they play 1 inning less than the home team on defense, that’s why they made more outs.

The only way to play more innings on defense than the other team is to win at home.  How does making more outs on offense contribute to home wins. 

Background. Before this he said a team with a choice of RF’ers (A or B) will win fewer games with Player A if Player A & B are equal defensively, but Player B is better than Player A offensively.

Says they will lose more games because they will not allow more runs, but will score fewer runs (says this reluctantly).  But the players are not equal defensively because that universe does not exist, it is imbalanced.

His point being, because Player A makes more outs than Player B, his team must play more innings on defense than the other team, so despite Player A and Player B being equal defensively, Player A defense is downgraded because of his offensive deficiencies increasing his required defensive contributions.

But I have just shown this not to be true.  BJ must be tripping or he got so caught up in being
smart he outsmarted himself. Or maybe I am getting old and don’t understand genius.

As for his ideas on living to 300 or more, that makes the effective global population of 6.66 billion 20 billion.  Not to mention what it does to social security.

Let me tell you, if there ever were a cure for cancer or an anti-aging drug to make this possible, only a select few elites would be given it.  Unless you have Bill Gates level of wealth, forget it. Income matters most only to those who think they are rich, it’s not income that matters (just enough to offset depreciation due to inflation is fine), it is wealth, and if you don’t have your own foundation, you are not wealthy enough to join the club.


#16    MGL      (see all posts) 2010/03/14 (Sun) @ 22:16

pft, while I agree with you 100%, I think James is somehow coming from a position that is more similar to his RC, which is the number of runs that a team would be expected to score if it were made up of 9 clones of one player. I never understand the value of that kind of stat.  It made no sense to me whatsoever, other than to show who was better than whom (but certainly not by how much).

I don’t know anything about his defensive win shares, but CLEARLY using offensive stats like WAR, wOBA, lwts, etc, and defensive ones like UZR, Totalzone, etc., offensive value and defensive value are independent.  Clearly.  If it is true that in his win shares system that they are not, then that is a fault with his system and not something that is true or inherent in real life baseball (that a player who is poorer offensively has less defensive value).

I would love Tango’s opinion on this, as he is familiar with win shares.  I am not at all.

And again, if his intention with the “deceased journalist from the 50’s thing” was to make his explanation understandable to just about everyone, he clearly missed his mark there.  Sometimes James is a great communicator and sometimes he trips over his own feet when trying to explain something.


#17    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/03/14 (Sun) @ 23:30

“If one player makes more outs than the others, then one team makes more outs than the other.  If one team makes more outs than the other, they must play one more inning of defense. “

If I understand his point, he’s pretty smart in the way to say it.  Don’t think of it in terms of a single game.  Simply that there are an equal number of outs to be consumed by both sides.  So, if one guy is adding more outs, then the other team also gets to add an equal number of outs.  The difference is that this guy adds outs automatically, while the other team gets to have a .340 OBP in using up their outs.

I like the general point of it.  It shows some good thinking about it.

But, really, if you understand linear weights, you wouldn’t need to make these kinds of arguments.  Bill James dances entirely around the issue if LWTS while it’s staring at him in the face.


#18          (see all posts) 2010/03/14 (Sun) @ 23:34

There is a difference between what is possible and what is likely.  People who try and make money by writing books write about what is possible and make it seem as if it is likely or flat out state that it is likely.  Scientists and reasonable, honest people, make a clear distinction between what is possible and what is likely.  It is NOT likely that lifespans will be 200 years in 50 years. Heck, we could never sustain all those people.  It is also not likely that “everyone” will be taking anti-aging pills in 40 years. Possible?  Sure (actually it is not possible that EVERYONE will be taking any sort of pill). Likely?  Unequivocably, no!  Seriously, is there anyone on this thread that stated that none of this is possible?

If you want to set the bar for James just off the ground, that’s fine by me…

I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but just as an example, in his 1999 book The Age of Spiritual Machines, Ray Kurzweil projects that the average lifespan will exceed 100 by 2019, be around 120 in 2029, and that life expectancy will essentially be infinite by the end of this century!  (He also projects that we’ll be essentially cybernetic beings.) Now, I know this sounds absurd, and I don’t really believe it, but at the same time I don’t know enough to know that it’s wrong.

But I’m just pointing out that there are scientists out there who are making these kinds of projections, and behaving as though these developments are likely.  James has apparently been reading some of this literature, and has found some of the arguments persuasive.

And note that James projects “every citizen” will be taking “anti-aging pills every day”.  Without the whole essay, I’m not sure if he’s just referring to the US here, but it doesn’t seem like he necessarily sees this as being global that soon.

But I do know that a lot can change in 50 years.  In 1960, this very conversation would have been impossible.  And I’m taking part sitting in my living room, typing on a relatively small computer that is many orders of magnitude more powerful than the CER-10 (the most recent computer as of 1960) that’s not even plugged into anything right now.  The notion that we might have medicinal advances of similar or greater significance is may not be as incredible as you or I may think.


#19    MGL      (see all posts) 2010/03/14 (Sun) @ 23:35

Ok, but if the player who uses up more outs makes his team have to play more defense, does that automatically mean that he has less defensive value?  Why is “playing defense” a negative?  If his team or the player himself is below average in defense, then I can see his point.  If the team and player are not, I don’t see his point.

Forget lwts for a second.  James flat out says that if we have two players who are equal on defense while on the field (say they have the same UZR true talent) and one has a high OBP than the other, then the one with the higher OBP has more defensive value?  Is that true or not?  And I am not sure what he means by “more defensive value.” Those words in this context are not unambiguous.


#20          (see all posts) 2010/03/15 (Mon) @ 02:14

Put succinctly, I think James’ point here is that the better offensive player eases the pressure on the defense - he reduces the significance of the defense played by widening the offensive gap between the two teams. I take this to be the meaning of “defensive responsibility” in this quotation of James. You have less responsibility to perform defensively the better the offense performs.

If runs created and runs prevented are identical, then by creating less runs, Player B increases the importance of preventing runs. Conversely, Player A reduces the responsibility of preventing runs in direct proportion to the runs he contributes offensively.

This is greater defensive value in the same way that superior ability to turn a double play is greater defensive value - the double play alleviates pressure on the pitcher to prevent baserunners from advancing. Scoring runs contributes similarly reduces the responsibility to stop baserunners from scoring.

That’s how I read it anyway.


#21    MGL      (see all posts) 2010/03/15 (Mon) @ 03:21

#20, I don’t think that is at all what he means.


#22    Paul Scott      (see all posts) 2010/03/15 (Mon) @ 04:02

There are significant problems with a vision of a future involving a rapidly reproducing species having infinite life but quite finite resources.


#23          (see all posts) 2010/03/15 (Mon) @ 04:13

"making outs increases the team’s responsibility to play defense”

That sounds pretty clear to me.

If he said “not making outs decreases the team’s responsibility to play defense” - how else could you interpret that other than reduced significance of defensive plays?


#24          (see all posts) 2010/03/15 (Mon) @ 05:09

"he reduces the significance of the defense played by widening the offensive gap between the two teams.”

His thesis has nothing to do with widening the (run) gap between the two teams, I don’t think.  Read number 5 above.

And I don’t think he is referring to “pressure” on the defense or anything like that, but I am not sure what you mean exactly, to tell you the truth.


#25    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/03/15 (Mon) @ 07:21

Bill James is one of the best, clearest writers we’ve ever had.  If what he says is being read in an ambiguous or head-scratching manner, then you know he did a really poor job at explaining himself.

I know at least 10% of what I write is head-scratching.  It makes perfect sense in my head, and even when I write it.  Sometimes, it seems like it makes no sense in english.  James caught a case of that perhaps.


#26          (see all posts) 2010/03/15 (Mon) @ 10:45

While James may be clear in terms of writing style, he is idiosyncratic. Think of all his ad hoc rating systems for various oddities that catch his fancy. He analyzes things to satisfy his own curiosity and doesn’t worry too much about other vantage points.

There is a difference between defensive value, measured in Win Shares, and defensive performance, measures by something like UZR. James’s statement about defense can be answered in terms of the DH: Does a pitcher become more valuable defensively by moving to the AL and having the DH hit for him? Is pitcher on a team with a really good DH more valuable defensively than a pitcher on a team with a bad DH? Actually this is no different than asking whether team defensive performance is more valuable on a team with a bad DH than on a team with a good DH (because offensive and defensive performance do not occur simultaneously, which hitter plays which position doesn’t matter). The answer may be yes because a team with a poorer DH, ceteris paribus, scores fewer runs so it needs more defense to win.


#27    Guy      (see all posts) 2010/03/15 (Mon) @ 12:11

"I do know that a lot can change in 50 years.”

We need to distinguish between raising the maximum lifespan of humans and increasing the average lifespan.  Yes, we’ve made huge progress on the latter front in rich countries.  But almost all of that gain is from reducing infant mortality and death rates among children and young adults (from accidents, disease, war). MUCH less—if anything—has changed in terms of how old a person lives before dying of “natural causes.” There are records from hundreds of years ago (maybe thousands) of people living to be 100.  And yet today, virtually no one lives past 110.  What has changed is the proportion of people who reach 80-90, thanks to better public health, medications, etc.  There is some maximum lifespan a healthy human can have, and the percentage of people reaching that is growing, but it’s an asymptotic relationship—we really haven’t extended life much at all, despite centuries of medical innovation.  The probability that we will suddenly double it in the next 50 years is vanishingly small. 

The same point applies to athlete’s size.  Yes, there are a LOT more 6-3 230 pound men on the planet today, because far more people grow up in societies in which people can achieve full growth.  But that doesn’t mean the average man will be 6-7 in 2050 or something.  It’s just that a lot of guys who would have been 5-7 with poor nutrition or a serious childhood disease now get to reach their full natural height.

I’m frankly surprised James wouldn’t understand this distinction.


#28    Hizouse      (see all posts) 2010/03/15 (Mon) @ 12:33

I also am quite confused.  I keep coming back to the fact that the number of outs a team must record on defense is not dependent on how many outs it makes or runs it scores on offense (except to the extent a bad offense makes you more likely to only play 8 innings of defense on the road, as pft notes).  And this is true on a per game as well as a per season level.

I can understand an argument about the relative value of preventing runs on defense--that a run prevented for the Royals may be more valuable than a run prevented for the Yankees.  And win shares is trying to tie defensive contributions to actual team wins.  But that’s apparently not the argument. 

2 asides:
1.  Why do people tend to capitalize “Win Shares” when writing out the full name of the stat?  Should I be capitalizing “ultimate zone rating”?  Are the names trademarked or something?

2.  Is OBP more valuable on a bad offense (because it really needs help), a good offense (because hey, A-Rod and Teix get to hit more when the other hitters make fewer outs)?  I guess the answer depends on how you define “value.”


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