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Friday, June 10, 2011

Mister Pickle comments on The Book review

By Tangotiger, 01:45 PM

I don’t mind negative reviews of The Book.  Indeed, I invite them.  I’m not scared.  Go ahead and use this thread if you like. 

What irks me is saying we didn’t say something when we DID say something.  For example, C. Witt ("Mr Pickle") says:

I was playing in a baseball gaming tournament once (think APBA, Strat-o-Matic, etc.) and my opponent was trying to decide on a strategy. He opened up his copy of “The Book”, looked up something and (I’m paraphrasing here) “Okay… so according to The Book, since I am up this many runs, and it’s this inning, and there are this many outs… I’m going to intentionally walk you...”

The problem here was that there were other variables that did NOT factor in to play at all.

Consider, for example, this situation we were dealing with. Let’s say my opponent had a 3 run lead in the bottom of the 9th. I had one out with a man on 2nd base and a good power hitter coming up to the plate.

What doesn’t factor in is what the ON DECK batter was like. If the guy on deck is a .200 hitter with no power, fine. The intentional walk makes sense. If the guy on deck is a .350 hitter with power, then it makes no sense. It also doesn’t factor in what I have sitting on my bench. If my on deck guy is that .200/no power guy, but I have a guy who hits .330 with power on my bench, then you need to factor that in as well. There were just too many variables to factor in. In my experience, much of the stuff from books like this one (or Freakonomics, for example) is that they miss out on that.

Baseball Between the Numbers seemed much better at covering all the bases. (Pardon the pun!)

I bolded that part.  And that part is nothing but bullsh!t (summary opinion without evidence(*) if your ears are more sensitive than my boy’s).  We discuss at length the on-deck situation, and it’s the centerpiece for that chapter in Table 126.

(*) Someone actually said that because I said bullsh!t, I was cursing, and so, a reason to not respond to me.  I’d hate to list the number of friends and family and children I’ve offended if bullsh!t was an offensive term.  The idea that bullsh!t is an offensive term is, well, bullsh!t !

Just because your Strat opponent did not use the right chart isn’t a reflection on us.


#1    Lee      (see all posts) 2011/06/10 (Fri) @ 14:24

I have a feeling that if you’re offending some pansy with the word bullshit, then “bullsh!t” is going to turn them off just as much. In either case, tell them to politely f@%k off. By this logic they should take it pretty well!


#2    Mike H      (see all posts) 2011/06/10 (Fri) @ 17:47

That’s a weird example, intentionally walking someone up 3 with a man on in the 9th is going to be a universally horrible move..........


#3    MGL      (see all posts) 2011/06/11 (Sat) @ 20:13

The negative review that Mr. Pickle was commenting on was a troll for whatever reason (there r no shortages of nutjobs with a computer).  As far as the comment, it is not clear if the guy even read The Book…


#4    Ben S      (see all posts) 2011/06/13 (Mon) @ 11:38

I’m pretty sure I actually was the opponent Mr.Pickle is referring to, and I really think he has his facts wrong.  I do keep the RE24 and win probability tables (but not an actual copy of The Book) close at hand at these tournaments but would never use them when deciding whether to intentionally walk somebody, so if I was using those tables it must have been some other kind of decision.

Now that I am remembering, what I think he was referring to was a decision at another table at that tournament as to whether, on a squeeze bunt, to try throwing home to have a certain chance at getting the runner at home vs taking a sure out at first base but allowing the runner to score.  After that player made his decision, I used the win expectancy table to figure out what the break-even percentage was.  I always try to include the ON AVERAGE caveat but perhaps I forgot in this instance.

FWIW, Mr.Pickle is a really nice guy.  Like MGL says, I think he just hasn’t read The Book or followed you guys enough to know that you don’t advocate simply following the base case number in all instances.


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