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Friday, December 04, 2009

Max on run value of pitch, by count

By Tangotiger, 03:24 PM

By the way, I call them “plate count” to distinguish them from “pitch count” (like, he threw 121 pitches).  If anyone’s been similarly bothered, you can see if my alternative helps you a bit.

I’m trying to understand Max here.  First, I like his graph here, which makes it clear:

You want your slider to go through the plate high, outside, or middle-and-in.  And if you are going to miss the strike zone, make it down-and-away.  Basically, avoid down the middle (like for any pitch) and avoid down and in.  I get that.  Very nice pic.

On a 1-0 pitch, it’s the same kind of rule, but make sure it’s in the strike zone (and down the middle is not so costly):

Basically, this means that batters have shrunk their strike zone on the outside, and interestingly, have shrunk their “down the middle” strike zone as well.  That is, a pitcher can’t get away from throwing a pitch on the edge of the strike zone, but can get away (a bit more than usual) if it’s down the middle.  I thought that was interesting.

On an 0-1 however, things get clearer:

You must avoid throwing low-and-in at all costs.  The batter has severely shrunk the strike zone.  Rather than it being a pitcher’s count, it is now a hitter’s count!

HOWEVER, Max’s chart shows us that the batter actually swings at more pitches at the 0-1 count (as you’d expect).  Basically, the charts don’t match. 

If I have to guess, I’d say that batters are killing the 0-1 sliders, and they are probably letting the 1-0 sliders be called for strikes more than they should.

I dunno.  I think.  I’ve had his article up since this morning, and only now have I been able to try to figure it out.  I’m not sure I have.

That said, I love the article.


#1    Nick Steiner      (see all posts) 2009/12/06 (Sun) @ 00:49

Tango - If you’re still unclear as to the point of the article, it was a response to a few concerns MGL had with some recent Pitch f/x articles using run value.  You can read them here:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/all-about-the-high-inside-fastball/
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/medium-and-short-time-memory/

His concern was that run values didn’t properly account for “plate counts”.  I disagreed, as the way run values are calculated are by taking the linear weights value of each pitch and subtracting that by the linear weights baseline for that count.  That should do a good enough job of “count adjusting” run values.  However, as Max shows here, you also have to adjust for pitch type and location, which makes it a lot more complicated.

On another note, after reading Max’s article I checked my database to see the average run value (per 100 pitches) by count:

0    0    -0.0271323
0    1    -0.2229141
0    2    -0.4510587
1    0    0.2599203
1    1    0.0770805
1    2    0.1678319
2    0    0.6589071
2    1    0.1447473
2    2    -0.2477988
3    0    3.2196685
3    1    1.6437004
3    2    1.0172407

That’s a lot more variance than expected.  I suppose selective sampling could play a role (good pitchers will be in more pitchers counts than bad pitchers, and vice versa), however, for the 3 ball x strike counts, we see a far larger effect than you would get from selective sampling. 

Does anyone know what’s up?

Does anyone know what’s up?


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