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Thursday, December 23, 2010

Marcel Primer

By Tangotiger, 11:14 PM

Excellent Primer.

One point about the “age 29” thing:  note that the player is 29 years old, and we are looking at his stats at age 26, 27, 28.  So, when I say I don’t apply an aging factor at age 29, it’s because his talent level at age 29 is right in the middle of his talent level at age 26-28 (more or less).


#1    JT Jordan      (see all posts) 2010/12/24 (Fri) @ 05:08

Thanks for the link!

I’ve been meaning to ask- is there a different constant to determine pitcher reliability?  I’m getting slightly lower figures when I tried to replicate the ‘10 Marcels.  With Roy Halladay, for example, I get 5790/(5790+1200) = .83 (using the 3/2/1 weights, of course) rather than .84.


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/12/24 (Fri) @ 13:31

Yeah, I don’t remember off hand.  For some reason, I have “800” in my head.  But, should be easy enough to reverse engineer, since I publish the r numbers for all the pitchers, right?

So, to make HAlladay come out to between .835 and .845, that would imply:
5790 * (1-.835)/.835 = 1144
5790 * (1-.845)/.845 = 758

Do that for a handful of pitchers (preferably those closer to r=.50, so that you don’t have such a big swing).

800 sounds right based on memory and it fits with above.


#3    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/12/24 (Fri) @ 13:32

I didn’t realize (Remember anyway) you were triples alley.  Great job in the article, you really laid it out well and explained it crisply.


#4    JEH      (see all posts) 2010/12/24 (Fri) @ 14:06

I read the article and was happy to learn how Marcel works.

I was aware of the three parts (weighting, regression, aging) . . . I just thought there were other parts as well.


#5    JT Jordan      (see all posts) 2010/12/24 (Fri) @ 15:21

Thanks for the kind words!

When I plug in the numbers for various pitchers (pitchers whose r resides within .61 and .84), the constant appears to be somewhere around 1,065.  When the estimate is off, it’s usually about a point.


#6    JT Jordan      (see all posts) 2010/12/24 (Fri) @ 22:14

Whoops, misread Tango #2.

Trying the constant as 1065 (1070 if you prefer) with pitchers around .5 yields an estimate usually within three points.  Not perfect, but not bad.


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