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Monday, August 25, 2008

Long and short atbats

By Tangotiger, 11:01 AM

Similar to my “Fixing VORP” blog post, treat this post as a “Sabermetric Announcements of Public Service” (with the unfortunate acronym of SAPS).  John Dewan talks about long and short atbats, and the profile report is now part of Bill James’ site, to which I replied:

John, Bill:

I’m not sure that your readers appreciate the bias in the long and short AB data.  What an AB of 1-pitch represents is: “What happens when the player makes contact on the first pitch” (*).

If the batter swings and misses at the first pitch, it does not count toward the 1-pitch data, and instead will now be part of the 2-pitch data.  (Similarly, a called ball on the first pitch will remove it from the 1-pitch data.)

As the league data shows on the 1-pitch at bat (very high) it makes it seem like everyone should be swinging on the first pitch.  But, the data itself is the *result* not the *approach*.

If on the other hand you asked: “What happens when the batter swings at the first pitch”, you will get different data, because now this will include the swing&miss.

You guys are probably aware of all this.  But, seeing posts on outside forums, and lots of readers simply are not thinking of it in those terms.

You might like this chart:
http://tangotiger.net/halejon/allcounts.html

And, Linear Weights by the Pitch Count provides a great basis for figuring out the pitch count approach.  But, that’s topic for another discussion.

(*) Foul balls that are not caught provide a tiny wrinkle to my statement.  The general idea holds.

Tom


#1    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/08/25 (Mon) @ 17:07

Bill wrote back, and agreed that people may be mis-using the data, and he will look to explain it better at some point.

I’ve been pretty harsh on James with alot of what he does (notably Win Shares… probably not a harsher critic of WS than I am).  And still, James sets aside any personal misgivings he may have (if any) and treats me with professional courtesy.

Gotta give him his props.


#2    david smyth      (see all posts) 2008/08/25 (Mon) @ 18:49

Dewan’s blurb on long/short at bats was sent to my email. I was surprised at how misleading it was. Dewan dropped the ball there. Maybe somebody else is devising this “stat of the week” stuff under his name because he doesn’t have the time, I dunno. But my trust level for his plus/minus method took a little hit there.


#3    JD      (see all posts) 2008/08/25 (Mon) @ 20:47

2) David, Dewan does a “stat of the week” segment on a local (Chicago) radio show each week, and I believe it’s the same that he puts up on his site (with some slight alterations in the radio segment since he tailors that to the Chicago audience. Since Dewan is the one who does the radio show, I’d have to think he’s aware of the work that goes into the stats even if he’s not doing all the number crunching.


#4    david smyth      (see all posts) 2008/08/26 (Tue) @ 07:19

Yes, you’re right, JD. I listen to it myself sometimes (Murphy on the Score). And if I’m not mistaken, sometimes in his explanation he clears things up.


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