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Friday, July 11, 2008

JamesEarlJonesification of Yankee Stadium

By Tangotiger, 04:47 PM

Bill James has given the floor to five new writers, one of which is Scott Ham, where he talks about Yankee Stadium, goes on about all things Yankees, and says (sub required):

I love Yankee Stadium because it’s the only place where I can feel close to the history of a team that has always been a part of my consciousness.  As long as I can remember, I have been a Yankee fan.  I can’t remember a summer where I wasn’t completely engrossed.  And while so much of my life has come and gone, the only things that have remained constant are my family and the Yankees.

The “constant” thing reminded me of Jones’ speech.  I responded:

Les Canadiens have as storied a history as the Yankees. You could replace “Yankee Stadium” with “Le Forum de Montreal”, replace “Mickey” with “Rocket”, and replace “Reggie” with “Lafleur”, and you’d have everyone in Montreal on board, when they were saying their goodbyes to the Forum. And yet, 10 years later, no one talks about the loss of the Forum.

I suspect it’s a desire to want to have a tie to something physical, but in reality, you just want to be surrounded by like-minded fans, and you can do that in a new ballpark and new arena just the same. The ties are still bound.

This entire romanticization of baseball really gets to me (and not in a good way).  I love baseball, and I don’t see the buildings as some monuments to be preserved and revered.  The game can be revered all by itself. And the players’ accomplishments (not the players themselves) can also be held up high.  Idolizing players (who are no better as people than you and me) and revering some building that has not even stood the test of time is bunk to me.


#1    Patriot      (see all posts) 2008/07/11 (Fri) @ 17:10

I have been a little annoyed by all the Yankee Stadium nostalgia, which is about to go into overdrive for the A-S game.  Beyond the overwrought nature of this type of thing in general, what has bugged me about is that Yankee Stadium was pretty thoroughly renovated/rebuilt in the mid-70s.  While I am not a stadium expert like a Phil Lowry by any means, it seems to me as if YANKEE STADIUM, home of Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, and Mantle was retired then. 

There has certainly been some significant history made there in the last 30 years, but it pales in comparison to what came before.  If the rebuilt stadium is still considered the same place, why not the new stadium right next door?


#2    John Peterson      (see all posts) 2008/07/11 (Fri) @ 18:44

Ah, Tango. A socialist at heart… err.. in reason.


#3    traced      (see all posts) 2008/07/11 (Fri) @ 20:46

we always assign emotion to artiface; some of these, held close to us long enough, become a genuine fondness, originally legitimate or not. such is nostalgia


#4          (see all posts) 2008/07/11 (Fri) @ 23:51

Thanks for linking to the article.

I think you and I are closer in opinion than you might think.  Most of the piece you quoted spent a good deal of time highlighting the ridiculous media blitz surrounding its final year and explaining why anyone who doesn’t like the Yankees would HATE Yankee Stadium.  I wouldn’t expect Yankee Stadium to mean anything to a individual that had no sense of personal history there anymore than you could expect me to feel any sentiment for something like your childhood home.  Those aren’t my memories.  Those are your memories and they are tied to a certain place. 

Part of me is sad to see Yankee Stadium go and the other part can’t wait.  It’s an end of an era, but times change and so does life.

I’m not a huge fan of romanticizing baseball, either, which is probably why I’ve never bothered to sit down and watch Field of Dreams, which I apparently inadvertently reminded you of.  Just seems hokey and fake.  If it weren’t for the All Star game and all the fake hype surrounding the Stadium, there would have been no need for an article like this.  I just felt it necessary to point out that while every media outlet will talk about how great Yankee Stadium is, the place is basically a dump that holds meaning for longtime Yankee fans and that’s about it.  Don’t believe the hype.

Patriot, when they renovated the Stadium, I believe they moved home plate and definitely the outfield walls, but the basic footprint of the structure remained the same.


#5    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/07/14 (Mon) @ 14:23

Scott, the “constant” speech of James Earl Jones was a very strong speech.  It’s rather freaky that you would say that you wrote it without having ever heard it.  It’s quoted all over the web.  Here’s one such place:
http://www.kypris.com/Baseball/

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It’s been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt, and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game, is a part of our past, Ray. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again. Oh people will come, Ray. People will most definitely come.
-Terrance Mann in the movie, “Field of Dreams”

And more here:
http://www.extrasensory-perceptions-guide.com/field-of-dream-quote.html

The romanticization of baseball is good for movies, but the reality of it is that baseball is a beautiful game, and not anything more than that.  Then again, perception is reality, and far be it for me to ruin someone’s perceptions.


#6          (see all posts) 2008/07/14 (Mon) @ 14:36

I haven’t seen the whole movie.  I watched the first half hour or so on TBS one night a few years ago, heard the whisper, laughed and changed the channel.  I don’t recall ever hearing it but it’s possible it influenced what I wrote in some way.

The only real similarity is the word constant.  The sentiment is similar, although he seems a lot more romantic about it than I am.


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