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Friday, December 04, 2009

Is the WAR-salary model broken?

By Tangotiger, 10:03 PM

In light of the Polanco / Scutaro signings among others, someone asked:

4) Are we sure the “model” is even right?

The model is right.  The model says that wins are paid for at a linear rate, above the replacement level.

The model, being a model, and not a forecaster, would need to be fitted after-the-fact.  If it turns out that the dollars per win is 3MM this offseason, then that’s the model.  We’ll know soon enough.

So far, all the middle infielders signed in the off-season followed a pretty set pattern: Polanco, Scutaro, Wilson, Gonzalez, McDonald.  Rank them by expected WAR, and that’s the list you’d get.  Rank them by salary, and that’s the list you get.  Rank them by salary/WAR, and they’d probably be equal.  It works.

If it turns out that the middle-tier is paid 3MM and the elites are paid 5MM, then the model is broken.  For example, if Holliday signs for 6/150, the model is broken.  If he signs for 6/100, the model is fine.

(Note the additional provision that the model doesn’t try to best-fit it to individual stats like HR, RBI, and W.  Those are biases.  If the model wanted to include those as parameters, it could.  Luckily, there’s no guys like that to scr-w up the model.  No Carlos Lee or Sorianos or Howards.)


#1    Kincaid      (see all posts) 2009/12/05 (Sat) @ 14:06

Has anyone done the dollars per win calculation with the estimated cost of draft pick compensation figured in?  I don’t recall seeing anything on it in the other recent threads (or see anything glancing back through them), but it would seem to make sense that the Red Sox (or anyone else in the bidding) would pay less per win for Marco Scutaro than other free agents because the additional cost of a 1st-round pick would be relatively high compared to the cost of his contract.  I would think the dollars per win value for any Type A who was offered arb and signs a relatively small contract could be affected.  I don’t know what kind of overall effect it could have, though.


#2          (see all posts) 2009/12/09 (Wed) @ 14:49

I posted this in a fangraphs thread, but I’m just looking for feedback from more knowledgeable minds:

One of the other trends that sabermetric thinking has brought to the forefront in recent years is the value of cost controlled players. Most teams are just starting to realize this (others did earlier); replacement level veterans were still being signed even into last year (Aaron Miles, 2/5M) for roles that can be easily filled on the cheap. I’m no economist, but given that falsely inflated bubbles exist in many markets, I’m not sure why baseball is excluded. Obviously in a recession, a yacht is still a yacht and is sold as such; elite players still get paid. But I think part of the market correction is in the mid-level players, and more than just declining veterans. Their production can be replaced for league minimum or closer. But before more team’s realized that, they paid middle relievers 3M/year or bench players 5M, therefore overvaluing the win. Just thinking out loud.


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