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Thursday, January 12, 2012

Is MLB still draconian?

By Tangotiger, 12:07 PM

The NHL not only tolerates YouTube, but they EMBRACE it with their own YouTube channel.  And the video is really high quality.  They have plays of the night, plays of the week.  Whatever you want.  NHL.com has 5-minute recaps of every game.  Fans post NHL highlights, and they are still there.  I mean, here’s Quebec v Montreal, and you see Guy Lafleur without his helmet.  That one was uploaded Aug, 2011.  Here’s one uploaded two years ago about the 1986 Roy/Rangers series.  It’s when he made his legend.

Now Grant Brisbee (who I must say is one of my favorite bloggers) is suggesting that MLB has an archaic policy, especially since you can’t see the uploaded videos anywhere on MLB.com or purchase it from MLB.  Now, I linked to a Raines video just yesterday, and we’ll see if it comes down soon enough.  In my view, it’s more of an archaeological dig.  You watch that Raines video, and it does nothing but GOOD for MLB.

I understand that you can argue copyright, yada yada yada.  There are always two sides to every story.  The NHL has chosen the fan-friendly side.  MLB is in the EXACT same position as NHL.  They are in the same business.  They have the same history.  They have the same passionate fans.  Everything is really the same. 

MLB has come around recently, with allowing us to EMBED videos in blog posts.  Again, they had two sides to the story, with one being they want to force people to come to MLB.com to watch the video, and the other as using it as a loss-leader, to try to attract even more fans to come over.  It’s a 51/49 argument.  They FINALLY chose the 51 argument (i.e., fan-friendly).

Back in the 1990s, the “casual friday” was all the rage… except at my company.  I knew EXACTLY the arguments: professionalism v employee-friendly.  It was the same 51-49 argument.  When I asked upper management, they gave me the professionalism line.  ONE MONTH LATER, they decided to allow casual friday, citing employee-friendliness.  You can literally justify any choice, and look reasonable doing so.  The reality is that most choices are 51-49 choices.  It makes no sense to make it seem like a 100-0 choice, when you can easily change your mind a month later.

Think of Jack Morris v Dennis Martinez.  Those favoring Morris in will only cite the good things, while those favoring Martinez out will cite the bad things.  It’s all very political, turning a 51-49 situation into a 100-0 situation.

It’s a foregone conclusion that MLB will relent here, if they haven’t already.  It’s a 51-49 choice, and the deciding factor always ends up being the one that makes people the happiest.  That’s the tie-breaker.


#1    Roger      (see all posts) 2012/01/12 (Thu) @ 12:41

They must have some terrible marketing advisers.  I remember they took down that phenomenal Beltre defensive highlights video a couple years back.  All that does is make your players more popular and make more people interested in watching baseball.

On a side note, does anyone have a link/copy of that video?  So much fun to watch.


#2    Neil S      (see all posts) 2012/01/12 (Thu) @ 13:19

About ten years ago, Marvel Comics hired some people to manage their intellectual property online and sent them after EVERY fan site with a bunch of bizarre demands: they had to formally approve your site and you had to post that approval, no substantially photoshopped images, and no images of any kind that weren’t taken from Marvel’s own image database. Absolutely insane stuff. And within a year, they had dropped nearly all of those requirements, recognizing that they were cutting of their head to spite a stray eyebrow hair.

How they could recognize that ten years ago and MLB still hasn’t learned anything at all… it’s amazing, frankly.


#3    seank      (see all posts) 2012/01/12 (Thu) @ 13:33

NHL has full games on hulu.com. It seems many are available in a condensed format (roughly 11 minutes). For the full games, only particular games are made available. I haven’t watched any to know if it’s the exciting/notable games or just random. There’s also a classic game category. I don’t know nearly enough about the NHL to comment on the games made available. It looks like the Roy/Rangers game isn’t though.

Finally, there’s a selector that allows you to easily filter the videos by a given team. Some smarts were added to account for moved teams, as the North Stars are listed under the Wild but not the Stars.


#4    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2012/01/12 (Thu) @ 13:45

The greatest game in my life time was the Rangers/Islanders Game 5 in 1984.  That one was available on CBC for a while.  Not sure if it’s still there.


#5    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2012/01/12 (Thu) @ 13:47

It’s actually on Youtube!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtMOk1kPAGA

If you don’t like hockey after watching that, you never will.


#6    mettle      (see all posts) 2012/01/12 (Thu) @ 14:17

Thanks for posting.

Those special effects were pretty… special.
I couldn’t tell if I was watching a sports broadcast or playing a Nintendo or Atari 2600 for the first 2 minutes.


#7    pm      (see all posts) 2012/01/12 (Thu) @ 14:48

This is why I think it’s ridiculous that the owners are extending Selig. Baseball is dying a slow death and Selig is partly to blame. I heard that Bo Jackson once threw a ball from the outfield wall to home plate. I would love to see that highlight, but I can’t because of Selig. That happened in the 80’s so there should be highlights of it somewhere but MLB won’t allow it. Same thing with their archaic blackout rules.

Can you imagine if you heard that Michael Jordan dunked from the free throw line in the 80’s and pumped mid air. If this was MLB, I wouldn’t know what actually happened because I can’t see it on youtube. But with the NBA, I’ve seen that play 100 times and know it happened.


#8    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2012/01/12 (Thu) @ 17:34

Thanks for the Hulu!

Check out the Russian Flyers game, at the 19:00 mark:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/142107/nhl-games-red-army-vs-philadelphia-flyers#s-p7-so-i2

Thank you so much for the game!

The Russians left the ice and quit the game.

17 Kharlamov is their best player, and he was getting hit like three times really hard.


#9    NaOH      (see all posts) 2012/01/12 (Thu) @ 18:22

I heard that Bo Jackson once threw a ball from the outfield wall to home plate. I would love to see that highlight....

That play can be seen at the 45-second mark of this clip.

http://soxanddawgs.com/mlb/video/harold-reynolds-finally-admits-he-was-out.html


#10    Bukanier      (see all posts) 2012/01/12 (Thu) @ 18:51

I love Grant Brisbee.

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae323/Zenmiester/pot.jpg


#11          (see all posts) 2012/01/12 (Thu) @ 19:04

I’ve looked on YouTube for (1) Vlad’s throw from the RF corner, and (2) Armando beaning Tino leading to one serious brawl featuring G’ Lloyd and then Strawberry and Benitez in the dugout.

I can understand MLB not wanting basebrawl videos, but the tributes that people make for boings greatest KOs, MMA’s best fights, etc are amazing. I’ve watched HBO greatest fights on YouTube, specifically Taylor-Chaves and Ward-Gatti multiple times ... And you can’t watch Hagler-Hearns enough.

When my son started playing football we watched. Ideas of Payton and Campbell to illustrate how to initiate contact rather than receive it. He saw Earl Campbell run the ball and found it immediately appealing. A 9yo in 2010 was actively watching a player from the 70s. Big win for the NFL.

We’ve also looked for video footage of Edgar, since he has ideal mechanics for a player of the same body type. I would love to watch videos with my son of Ozzie, Rickey, Gooden and other favs of my youth.

YouTube could be great for a new generation in regards to history.

I explain this to teachers, when kids want to find out how to do something, they look on YouTube. Each year when I need to start my chainsaw or replace a thermocouples, I don’t look for a book, I watch a short video on YouTube. This is how a lot of people obtain information.


#12    Church of the Perpetually Outraged      (see all posts) 2012/01/12 (Thu) @ 21:22

For CircleChange11, here’s a 15 min clip of the Benitez/Martinez brawl, including the HR afterwards

http://www.nyat.net/2011/04/blast-from-past.html


#13    Church of the Perpetually Outraged      (see all posts) 2012/01/12 (Thu) @ 21:24

Bah should have watched the link first, per the comments “Aaaaaaaand, MLB asserted its inevitable copyright claim. G-d forbid the fans should have access to MLB’s product.”


#14    bluejaysstatsgeek      (see all posts) 2012/01/13 (Fri) @ 00:01

@#9 NaOH:

Thanks for the clip.  I love great defense.


#15    Scott segrin      (see all posts) 2012/01/13 (Fri) @ 07:09

I have not purchased MLBTV for the past few seasons and a big part of the reason is their restrictive blackout and copyright rules.  I know.  That’s sort of shallow and I’m not going to change the world with my little boycot, but I think baseball’s got it’s head in the 1980’s on this.

And, I’ve become much more of an NHL fan since the strike in part because of the ease of finding quality content online.  I don’t have a team here in Milwaukee to root for.  Every now and then I’ll glom on to one team or another or some particular player and it’s great the amount of highlights and video you can find.  There’s no question that it has enhanced my experience as a novice and budding fan.


#16          (see all posts) 2012/01/13 (Fri) @ 08:17

Baseball’s popularity, particularly among us true fanatics, is so much despite not because of the efforts of people like Bud Selig.  I was watching one of the NFL playoff games and I have to tell you I couldn’t make out much of what the analyst was saying about where a blitz was going, but I suspect if I followed football like I follow baseball I could have.  Instead, we get Tim McCarver.


#17          (see all posts) 2012/01/13 (Fri) @ 11:40

@12

The video has, naturally, been removed.


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