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Saturday, January 12, 2008

Is Hanley Ramirez worth a 13 yr, 248 million$ deal, with only 2 years of service?

By Tangotiger, 07:19 PM

The NHL’s average team payroll, average team revenue, and average everything is about 50% that of MLB.  So, you can try to scale NHL salaries by simply doubling them to compare to MLB.  Alexader Ovechkin, who beat out Sidney Crosby for Rookie of the Year in his first year, and had a great second year last year, and is on his way to another great year this year, his third year, at the age of 22, signed a 13yr, 124 million$ contract.  In MLB lingo, that calls for a guy to get 248 million$.  For a guy not yet eligible for arbitration.

Chase Utley didn’t get anything close to this kind of deal, and neither did Joe Mauer.  Would you give it to Ramirez, or Ryan Zimmerman, or Jonathan Papelbon?  What is happening in the NHL is incredible.  They have one little rule that is different from MLB that is causing the young players to be locked up: after 3 years, you are a restricted free agent, meaning that any team can offer you a contract, but your existing team has a right to match.  On a no-match, your team gets compensated with a number of draft choices (and in the NHL, draft picks are more valuable than in MLB).  So, NHL teams have determined that young players have tremendous surplus value (they are way underpaid).  The Capitals, not willing to take a chance some team will make their Hanley Ramirez a cornerstone of its team, decided to treat him as a quasi-free agent.

The NHL’s distribution of payroll is far fairer than it is in MLB.  There is no gulf between the young players and the true free agents.  The net effect is that you don’t get into the situation MLB finds itself, to way overpay for the limited supply of questionable free agents.  However, it is this gulf in payroll disparity that allows small market teams to lock up their young players and keep their surplus value to themselves, to leverage.

Fascinating systems in both leagues.


#1    JD      (see all posts) 2008/01/13 (Sun) @ 00:44

Tango,

I’m not as well-versed on the NHL’s salary cap and related policies, but I do know that a 13 year deal in the NHL is not the same as in MLB. There are some safeguards related to buyouts and whatnot.

And, like you pointed out, the difference between the arbitration system and what the NHL uses is justification for giving a free agent-type deal to a young player.

All that said, 13 years is pretty ridiculous. The Capitals are banking on Ovechkin being great to HOF-caliber from now through his prime (from what I know, a hockey player’s prime age is similar to a baseball player’s), and 5-7 years from now the cap number will be higher and salaries will be higher so a guy who might be one of the 5 best players in the league will be getting paid like a second line player. If he stays healthy, it’s probably going to end up being a good deal. If not, bad times for them.


#2    Shhh      (see all posts) 2008/01/13 (Sun) @ 03:24

I know next to almost nothing about hockey other than occasional looking at stats and watching some blues/redwings games but is one player more valuable in hockey or in baseball?

Tango, I’d be interested in how much better you think Ovechkin is than Malkin.  Spezza and Kovalchuk also seem to be superstars in the league.  With the two kids from Chicago well on their way too.

Didn’t Crosby sign a 5 year 45M deal?  I wonder what he thinks about Ovechkins deal.

Is Hanley worth that?  I personally don’t think so as I’m not completely sold on the kid, although he is damn good. And I personally would never give out that kind of money if I were a GM in baseball theres much more efficient ways to spend it like via draft/international signings, I don’t think you can exploit that as much in hockey (although I could be wrong).


#3    tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/01/13 (Sun) @ 10:37

In hockey, the talent bubbles to the surface much faster than in baseball.  18 and 19yr olds playing in the NHL is no big deal.  It’s huge in MLB.

The best players in the NHL, your Bobby Orrs, Gretzky, et al, are worth close to 10 wins above the average at their peak.  (And don’t forget, the NHL season is half the length.) It’s nothing compared to what Tim Duncan is probably worth.

In hockey, they have 16 teams in the playoffs, so that is very lucrative.  In the regular season, teams play 90% to capacity, with several playing at capacity.

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Teams can buyout the remaining salary at 2/3.  So, if Ovechkin in 3 years has 100 MM left on the contract, the Capitals can buy him out for 67MM.

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The salary cap is based on average annual salary.  So, if team payrolls keep going up as they have been since the lockout, Ovechkin’s salary will take a minor hit against the team payroll cap number as the years go by.  Basically, they could have signed him for a 30 year contract at say 150MM, so that they can take a small cap hit, per year.  That’s kinda what happened with Rick DiPietro’s long contract.


#4    Mike Flatt      (see all posts) 2008/01/13 (Sun) @ 17:38

I went to high school in Dallas, TX, so I’ve been watching hockey for awhile now and going to a lot of Stars games.  If you watch a lot of games, you’ll see that the game can be analyzed quantitatively like baseball.  As Tango said, there are a lot of young guys playing who are just as good, if not better than a lot of the 26-28 year-olds.


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