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Tuesday, November 10, 2009

How the Gold Gloves work

By Tangotiger, 12:53 PM

From one of the former census takers:

Just as an aside, I was a Sporting News correspondent for several years in the 1990s when that publication sponsored the Gold Glove awards. It was the job of each correspondent to gather the votes of the coaches and manager of the team he covered—in my case, the San Francisco Giants.

Let’s just say I wasn’t impressed with the depth of knowledge of the coaches when it came to evaluating the candidates and coming to a conclusion. They’d pretty much blurt out the name of a guy that they remembered as making some good plays against them (often asking a fellow coach what he thought, and coming to a consensus opinion that way), or pick the player that had the reputation as being the best at his position, even if that reputation was no longer deserved. I’m pretty sure my team wasn’t the only one that operated this way, which explains how Rafael Palmeiro was voted Gold Glove first baseman in 1999 despite playing just 28 games at first base. Reputation and name recognition played a huge role in the voting, as I saw it first-hand. Maybe things have gotten better since then.

Wow.  I mean, WOW!  In all practicality, you’ll have some 50 coaches blurting out names, and you’ll have 15 of them say “Jeter”, and 12 of them say “Andrus”, and 10 of them say “Aybar”, and have the other 13 votes split with the other shortstops.  And so, with 30% of the vote, you give Jeter the Gold Glove.  (I don’t know if it’s Jeter… just saying how it’s so easy for someone to win an award this way.) And in all likelihood, if you asked them for 1st, 2nd, 3rd place finishes, all those who did not vote for Jeter as #1 likely would not put Jeter at #2 or #3.

It’s a silly system, a stupid system, made more so ridiculous based on the haphazard manner of collecting votes.

I’m shocked at how little MLB cares about this, that there’s simply letting Rawlings have the floor to themselves on this, as well as the BBWAA for the major awards.  The NHL is in control of their awards, as is the CFL.  Why would MLB not take this over and actually assign a dedicated staff to control this?


#1          (see all posts) 2009/11/10 (Tue) @ 13:20

Why do people care so much about awards?

It’s the kind of stuff I cared about when I was 10. I’m not longer 10.


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2009/11/10 (Tue) @ 13:31

Oh, yeah, I can’t stand it either.  I really don’t care.  It’s exactly like those “lists” things you see.  It’s purely a mail-it-in article that writers love, cause they get to not think and get paid.  And fans seem to love to see lists, because they don’t want to agree. 

My purposes are simply to shine a light at the silliness of it all.  Once everyone reading here agrees, we can move on.


#3    Wells      (see all posts) 2009/11/10 (Tue) @ 13:52

You know, there’s something odd in your RSS feed. In my reader (Google Reader) it all shows up as one sentence: no line breaks, no indication of blockquote usage, etc. Any ideas?


#4    Wells      (see all posts) 2009/11/10 (Tue) @ 13:54

Ah, as a follow up, there are no paragraph tags or line break elements (BR) in the RSS. Any way you could fix that? Sorry to clog up this thread.


#5    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2009/11/10 (Tue) @ 14:08

I have no idea.


#6    David Pinto      (see all posts) 2009/11/10 (Tue) @ 15:04

Bill James pointed this out years ago.  All the Rawlings folks need to do is get the coaches to list the top three at a position.  They will make them think a bit, and the consensus second choice will win.


#7          (see all posts) 2009/11/10 (Tue) @ 16:12

It might help to tighten the eligibility requirements for considation for the award.  For example, minimum games played at the position, and you can throw in a few position specific measures.  You will still get alot of stupid awards, but no outright embarrassments like Palmeiro.


#8          (see all posts) 2009/11/11 (Wed) @ 00:08

you have to figure eventually enough people will recognize how dumb the process is and they’ll change the method or replace them with an award that does make sense.  but it may take forever or never happen.  look at how messy a time college football has coming up with a decent poll.


#9    BenJ      (see all posts) 2009/11/16 (Mon) @ 11:14

Tango- When MLB takes over, they end up giving it to Elias and we get something like the Free Agent Compensation rankings… where signing John Grabow or Darren Oliver costs you the same draft picks as signing Matt Holliday.

Let’s not put the award in the wrong hands, though I guess they can’t do much worse than the current system.  It seems like the system for collecting the votes hasn’t changed since the inaugural awards in the 50’s.  You’d think they’d get the managers/coaches to email the votes in on their own time, so they’d have a chance to give it more than two seconds of thought…


#10    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2009/11/16 (Mon) @ 11:56

A better example of MLB involvement is the Hank Aaron and Silver Sluggers.

Now, if some reporter will actually question MLB as to how the Silver Sluggers voting is actually conducted, that would be a first.  Do they not care and simply report on press releases?

The Hank Aaron award is what happens when you want to apply the Wisdom of the Crowds badly.

What MLB should do is hand the process to a third-party (but who actually cares about these things), because obviously, the marketing department is way too involved.


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