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Thursday, August 14, 2008

How much does losing Longoria and Crawford hurt the Rays?

By , 01:29 PM

Tampa Bay is my new favorite team, if only because I bet some money on them to win the pennant and WS, at 75-1 and 150-1, respectively.

Losing Crawford and especially Longoria seem to be devastating to their chances, but remember, we have shown that adding or subtracting major talent at this point in the season is not generally going to make or break a team, on the average.  Even acquiring or losing stars or superstars is only worth a win or so with less than 1/3 of a season remaining.

Let’s briefly look at how losing Crawford and Longoria, presumably for the rest of the season, impacts the Rays.


I ran everything though my sim.  The sim expects that Crawford is around +7 runs per 150 in offense and the same in defense.  Longoria, according to the sim, is +15 in offense and zero in defense.  There is an argument that Longoria is a plus defender, say +5, and I will get to that in a second.

Luckily for the Rays, the replacements for Crawford are pretty good players, despite the fact that they are “no-names.” Eric Aybar is zero in offense and defense, and is a switch hitter.  Gomes in left field is a very good hitter, +12, and a poor fielder, at -7.  Floyd in left is zero in offense and -5 in defense.

Again, these are the numbers the sim uses.  As well, the sim uses baserunning and speed ratings on all the players.

Putting aside platoon issues for the moment, we would expect that with Aybar at third rather than Longoria, we lose at least 15 runs per 150, and with Gomes in left, we lose another 9 runs, for a total of 24 runs plus, say, 3 runs in baserunning and speed for Gomes/Crawford.  That is 27 runs per 150 over the remaining 43 games for TB.

That is a loss of 7.74 runs or around .8 wins, nothing to write home about.

If I run some sims though, it actually comes out to around 1.28 win over 43 games (for some reasons), assuming that Longoria is an average defensive player.  If he is a plus defender, add in another .25 wins.  I’ll even concede another .25 wins due to the fact that the bench is considerably weaker now.  So we have a total of around a 1.75 win loss for the Rays, fairly substantial I guess with 43 games remaining.

There is one hitch to the story, however.  Sometimes we have everyday good players on teams that bat left-handed (against LHP as well as RHP). Crawford is one of those players.  We (at least the teams) just assume that it is correct to play them every day (and I realize that you have roster and ego issues to contend with when it comes to platooning).  However, when push comes to shove, it does not take much of a RHB to be better against LHP, and you can make a good argument for many of these everyday good but not great left-handed batters to be platooned, at least against tough lefty pitchers.

In fact, plugging Gomes into the sim rather than Crawford against a LHP is a gigantic upgrade.  Around 3.5 wins per 150 games!  So versus lefty starters, which we assume will occur around 10 times over the remainder of the season, it is actually a blessing in disguise for the Rays that Crawford is out.

So, if we redo the whole analysis using the sim results, we get that losing Crawford and Longoria only costs the Rays around a win rather than the 1.75 wins we got with no regard to platoon issues.

Not that a win is not significant with 43 games to go, but I don’t think it is anything to panic about (not that they are panicking).

Let’s see what it does to the chances of making the post and winning the pennant and WS.  As of a few days ago, they had a 94.6% chance of making the post, a 22.2% chance of winning the pennant and 11.6% chance of winning the WS.

With a 3.5 win reduction per 162 games (1 win in 43 games), the new numbers are:

91.5, 19.5, 9.6

I won’t say whether that is a small or large reduction in their chances of making the post and winning the various awards.  Those are only words which don’t really mean anything.  One man’s “a lot” is another man’s “not so much.” The numbers are what they are.

#1    Phil D.      (see all posts) 2008/08/14 (Thu) @ 18:02

A few things here: Longoria is expected to return somewhere around the first week in September. It’s Willy Aybar, not Erick Aybar who is his replacement. Though you may have figured that in already and just spelled the wrong name. Gomes in inexplicably in AAA and most of Crawford’s PAs will go to some combination of Rocco Baldelli and Gabe Gross.


#2    MGL      (see all posts) 2008/08/14 (Thu) @ 19:13

Yes, I meant and did use Willy Aybar.  I screwed up with Gomes.  He should definitely not be in AAA though.  My son, who follows all the teams, said that Hinske, Baldelli, and Gross have been playing in the OF with Floyd DHing most of the time.

Baldelli has a very good projection, both offensively and defensively (he used to be a CF of course and a highly regarded one), although who knows at this stage in his oft-injured career.  A big upgrade over Crawford if his projections are anywhere near legitimate.  Crawford is an overrated player for some reason.


#3    Colin Wyers      (see all posts) 2008/08/14 (Thu) @ 19:49

Most investigations into why a player is overrated (or underrated) should start, and probably should end, with looking at the stats used in the standard 5x5 roto league.


#4    MGL      (see all posts) 2008/08/14 (Thu) @ 23:47

While I don’t disagree with that, I think there are other reasons, some of which you can’t necessarily put a finger on.


#5    Aptyp B.      (see all posts) 2008/08/15 (Fri) @ 01:33

I once said to you, Mick, that I think Kazmir is one of the top 15 pitchers in the game. I believe you said something like “not even, not even close” (with a nasty, snobby grunt towards me, I just kid). You still think that he is overrated?

What does your sim. show with having him in rotation for the season and for whats left of the season versus an average pitcher? I’m curious.


#6    MGL      (see all posts) 2008/08/15 (Fri) @ 01:55

Yes, he is probably one of the top 15 pitchers in baseball (I don’t know that he is, just like I didn’t know what he was at the time you are referring to).  Around a 3.20 or so NERC in the AL, which is around a 3.10 or 3.00 overall (IOW nearly a run better than an average starter per 9).

A player’s projection changes all the time.  A few years ago, Haren’s projection was worse than that of an average pitcher.  Now he is one of the best in the NL.

All my and everyone else’s projections have an implied disclaimer on them.

I will never apologize or take any credit (or at least I shouldn’t) for a projection - ever.

Sometimes a player’s true talent changes, sometimes we were just wrong in the projection and sometimes my underwear fits just right.

A projection is just a projection. Nothing more and nothing less.  Hopefully, all of our 3.00 projections will be somewhere near 3.00 in the future in the aggregate.  And 4.00 will be near 4.00.  Etc.  Individual pitchers will be all over the map. If we/I project a pitcher to be a 3.50 and he posts a 4.50, he might be a 3.50 who got very unlucky.  He might be a 4.00 who got a little unlucky.  He might be a 4.50 and it was a bad projection.  It might have been a bad projection because he got unlucky prior to that.  And around and around we go.  Who the hell knows?

Half of my projections and everyone else’s, especially for pitchers, will turn out “wrong” a year or two from now.  Why should it be a surprise that Kazmir was one of them?

From now on, I won’t say anything about a pitcher.  Only that, “This is what my computer spit out as a projection for player X based on Y methodology.” If that makes some people happy.  Then I can say, “I never said that so-and-so was such-and-such.  Only that my computer spit out X.  If you have a problem with what the computer spit out, take it up with him/her.” wink

An average pitcher in place of Kazmir is going to be a run or so worse than him per 9.  You can figure out how much that means to the Rays in wins for the remainder of the season.

BTW, I will be out of town for the next 11 days and will not be posting or reading.


#7    harveywall      (see all posts) 2008/08/16 (Sat) @ 22:32

MGL:  I used DM modified to do a similar sim, and the result was similar:  Being w/o Crawford and Longoria cost TB 0.9 wins over 43 games


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