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Friday, December 04, 2009

Game Score using FIP

By Tangotiger, 02:53 PM

No, I’m not talking about this recent BtB article, which does some good work.

I am instead talking about this article that came out a few months after the unveiling of FIP 5 years ago, back when DIPS was all the rage, and he shows you all his work:

What would a DIPS-based game score look like?  Also, why not make the revised game score equivalent to a support neutral win probability?  ... GSDIPS = 50 + IP + 2*K – 3*BB – 13*HR

And there you have it – a DIPS-based pitcher game score equivalent to support neutral win probability that is easier to calculate and with fewer terms than James’ original Game Score!

Notes:  Did James originally intend the Game Score to approximate win probability?  The (2*K – 3*BB – 13*HR) term is the same thing as FIPS that was independently and originally noted by TangoTiger as a DIPS-based pitcher measure

Kevin’s got alot of other great stuff on his site.  I get the feeling that alot of the new guys coming into sabermetrics aren’t aware of the really cool stuff that’s already been done out there.


#1    Michael      (see all posts) 2009/12/04 (Fri) @ 15:31

Thanks for the good word on the article, Tango. You’re right in that I had no idea this had already been considered, though it does make sense that it would have been given the DIPS phenomenon of the earlier 2000’s. I read through the article by Kevin and it is very well done. When I was thinking about doing (or I guess in this case, re-doing) a DIPS version of GS, I was more or less going through a similar process as Kevin already did. I do want to add batted ball types as an added factor, similar to how tRA does their runs/outs estimation.


#2          (see all posts) 2009/12/04 (Fri) @ 17:39

"I get the feeling that alot of the new guys coming into sabermetrics aren’t aware of the really cool stuff that’s already been done out there.”

I think that is why I put together this site called “Clutch Hitting Links” which is at

http://cyrilmorong.com/ClutchLinks2.htm

That way people can see what has been done before. I may be missing some good links, so feel free to pass them on to me. It would be great if, say, there was a site like this for other things, like say a DIPS link, a lineup studies link, etc.


#3    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2009/12/04 (Fri) @ 17:51

That’s what the intent of this site is:

http://www.tangotiger.net/wiki

That site needs an editor


#4    Nick Steiner      (see all posts) 2009/12/05 (Sat) @ 21:48

Tom,

In the article from Kevin, he mentioned some “heavy lifting” by Rob Wood; however, the link to BBTF didn’t work.  Do you know where I could find that study, or if you have a summary of it on your site?


#5    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2009/12/06 (Sun) @ 07:47

I have linked to Rob’s article in this blog.  Do a search first, and let me know if you find it.


#6    Nick Steiner      (see all posts) 2009/12/06 (Sun) @ 20:32

Thanks Tom, I found it (I think):

http://www.tangotiger.net/archives/stud0108.shtml#1002


#7    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2009/12/06 (Sun) @ 23:36

See if maybe this is what you want:
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/blast_from_the_past_rob_woods_win_values/


#8    Nick Steiner      (see all posts) 2009/12/06 (Sun) @ 23:50

Thanks much.  I’m gonna have my hands full with that one.


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