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Tuesday, July 24, 2007

Forecasting Pitchers

By Tangotiger, 04:13 PM

Building on the work I previously released, here is some more data:


This is all pitchers
- born between 1957 and 1974
- aged 25 to 28

I put each pitcher in one of seven experience classes.

Experience n	 25-28 	 29-32 	 rate  	 Wins 
1	36	 3,745 	 2,832 	76%	 0.582 
2	72	 2,988 	 2,137 	72%	 0.521 
3	108	 2,105 	 1,553 	74%	 0.502 
4	144	 1,403 	 903 	64%	 0.474 
5	180	 912 	 628 	69%	 0.474 
6	216	 499 	 474 	95%	 0.462 
7	611	 123 	 131 	106%	 0.398 

The first line read like this: I take the 36 pitchers who faced the most batters at age 25-28.  They average 3745 batters faced per pitcher.  At age 29-32, they averaged 2832 batters each.  That age 29-32 number is 76% of the age 25-28 number.  They had a .582 W/L record.

The second line are the next 72 pitchers with the most batters faced at age 25-28.

For the first 5 lines, which comprises of the 540 most experienced pitchers (which is at least 695 batters faced over 4 years), they are all at the 70-75% rate. 

As you can see by the wins column, the quality tracks the experience, though this is hardly a surprise. 

(For you replacement-level fans, note that the win % for the last group of pitchers, the scrubs, is .398, which can be compared to the W/L record of their teammates of .484.  On a neutral team, that .398 adjusts as .408.  This is further evidence that the replacement-level for pitching is indeed .410.  This would breakdown as .380 for starters and .470 for relievers.)

Overall, the number of batters faced at age 29-32 is 75% of the total faced at age 25-28, give or take 100 batters faced, for each experience level.

So, forget about how many batters they did face.  Forget how good a pitcher he is.  The short-rule to forecasting a pitcher’s future IP (for these age classes) is simply to reduce his actual batters faced by 25% over that time period.

An annual 11% drop achieves this.  So if you have a pitcher with 3000 batters faced at ages 25-28, his next 4 years will be roughly: 668, 594, 529, 471 for a total of 2261 batters faced at ages 29-32.

***

By the way, the Marcel rule is to use 50% of the previous year, and 10% of two years ago, plus 200 batters faced.  This also works quite well.

***

Also note that if I looked at all pitchers born since 1884, their age 29-32 batters faced is 27% fewer than their age 25-28 batters faced.  In short, historically speaking, we’re not seeing much change.

#1    MGL      (see all posts) 2007/07/24 (Tue) @ 17:19

Over which time period (ages) is that win% in that last column?


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2007/07/24 (Tue) @ 17:32

Age 25-28

The win% of age 29-32 is about .020 lower in the first few experience levels, and then they all converge to the .500 level.  This last point (the convergence) also has to do with the abundance of relievers, where their W/L record are simply not reliable indicators (Trevor Hoffman 51-58, Billy Wagner 34-38, Rivera if we only count his closer years meaning remove the first two seasons is 48-37… all together, the big three of this era is 133-133).

So, I follow the “rule of ten”, and simply drop the expected win% by .010 each year.  So, a .540 pitcher at age 28 would be .530, .520, .510, .500 over the next 4 years (average of a shade over .515 because of weighting).


#3    MGL      (see all posts) 2007/07/24 (Tue) @ 19:43

"(For you replacement-level fans, note that the win % for the last group of pitchers, the scrubs, is .398, which can be compared to the W/L record of their teammates of .484.  On a neutral team, that .398 adjusts as .408.  This is further evidence that the replacement-level for pitching is indeed .410.  This would breakdown as .380 for starters and .470 for relievers.)”

I don’t get some of this paragraph.  Why are their teammates only .484 pitchers?  Are you assuming that the offense of their teams is therefore below average?  That is why you are adjusting the .398 to .408?  Couldn’t it be just as likely that teams with scrubs tend to have entire pitching staffs that are below average and that their offense is average (or their offense is a little below average and so is their pitching)?


#4    tangotiger      (see all posts) 2007/07/24 (Tue) @ 21:09

I presumed that their offense and defense are equally poor, that the .484 (i.e., -.016) is split -.008 to their hitting, -.002 to their fielding, and -.006 to their pitching.  So, I add .010 to all pitchers W/L record to get them in-line.

It is possible that what you are saying is true, that a team of pitching scrubs may be on a team that is more pitching poor than I’m suspecting.  Whatever the answer is though, it’d probably pretty close to an even split.


#5    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2007/12/12 (Wed) @ 11:13

I’m bumping this, as I forgot I did this work.  The recent thread where there was talk of knocking 15% of PA year after year definitely does not hold (would imply 68% of PA for age 29-32 compared to age 25-28).  10-12% is the correct answer.


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