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Tuesday, November 01, 2011

Fielding Bible 2011 - Complete Vote Tally

By Tangotiger, 02:19 PM

Here you go.

Looking quickly at the results by position, and comparing the Fans Scouting Report to the consensus:
1B: No big surprises, with Fans wanting Pujols, and him winning.  The top 6 votegetters were in the top 9 for the Fans.

2B: Even more of a match to consensus, including #1 Pedroia.  The only ones to have Espinoza ranked highly are the Fans, Strat-O-Matic, and Doug Glanville.

SS: Good match overall, including #1 Tulo.

3B: Good match overall, including #1 Beltre.

LF: Solid match overall, with Fans’ #2 Gardner being consensus #1.  CarGo ranked #1 by Fans, and #2 by Strat-O-Matic, and #7 overall.

CF: This one is really a tough one, because there’s so little separating all the top CFers.

RF: Very little agreement.

C: Fairly strong agreement at the top, including #1 Matt Wieters.

So, Fans matched the #1 on all the infield positions, and catcher, and had the consensus #1 as #2 in LF.  CF and RF had much less agreement.

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As for pitcher, I used my own quick algorithm to get the rankings.  I expect little match. 


#1          (see all posts) 2011/11/01 (Tue) @ 19:01

I wonder if arm strength and accuracy make it more difficult to coalesce an advance metric with the human eye in right field than it does at other positions.

Personally I hate seeing a noodle arm in right field, love seeing a Francouer (sp) hose a guy out at third (or at first, which he did this year on a single).  But in the metrics, those plays are less important than a guy’s range.


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/11/01 (Tue) @ 19:33

I agree with your basic sentiment that it’s much more likely a strong-armed, averaged-speed player will get a high (eye) mark in RF than an average-armed, fast player.


#3    Keith Hernandez      (see all posts) 2011/11/02 (Wed) @ 11:01

This sole soul would make the argument that Albert Pujols is not so much the best-fielding first baseman as the most aggressive-fielding first baseman. When the aggressiveness pays off, the results are spectacular—probably disproportionately so, in the minds of those who vote on such matters. But when it does not pay off, there are harmful effects upon Albert’s team. I’d love to quantify just how often a Cardinals pitcher, sweltering in humid St. Louis all summer, has to fly off the mound to cover first whenever Albert decides that he can reach a ball that his second baseman can likewise comfortably reach. Such plays get recorded as 3-1 in the scorebook; the fans laud Pujols for his Gold Glovedness; the effect on the pitcher (of what should have been a 4-3 play) gets ignored. I’m probably preaching to the choir here. But when I read the home page of fieldingbible.com and see Albert extolled for that (terrific) 6-3-5 FC against Utley in the ‘11NLDS, I cannot help but long for balance. Am I in the wrong, here?


#4    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/11/02 (Wed) @ 11:12

Keith: if you want to figure out the performance of a pitcher to the next batter in the same inning where he had to get a putout at first base, be my guest.  The data is there. You formulated your hypothesis.  Now, test it.


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