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Tuesday, October 26, 2010

Fielder positioning

By Tangotiger, 12:04 PM

You could do alot with $1 stopwatch (hangtime) as we know.

Now, this is what you can do with a 50$ camera (positioning):

Wonderful, isn’t it?  It would be beneficial to know how a player’s fielding value breaks down between his positioning (of which he may or may not control, and if you see him play the rover position, you are inclined to believe it’s manager-influences), and his legs/arms.  Furthermore, there’s simply the question of regression, which is why we’d like to know how much of a hitter’s skill comes from BB, SO, HR and how much from BABIP.

I know we’ll get all this positioning from the FIELDf/x jackhammer, but we should have been getting this from the scorer’s hammer for decades.  (Hire more scorers.)


#1    Peter Jensen      (see all posts) 2010/10/26 (Tue) @ 13:31

Matt Thomas has been doing this for at least 4 years now in St. Louis.  He has given presentations on his work at SABR and at each of the past Pitch Fx Summits.  He tracks both the landing positions of each hit ball and the starting positions of the fielders.  He works as a MLBAM stringer therefore has an excellent and consistent viewpoint for setting up his camera on a tripod.  He was allowed to bring in a surveyor’s transit to mark fixed registration points on the field.  Sportvision has helped him obtain lens correction factors for the camera he uses from the same source that they use to correct the lens of the Pitch Fx video cameras.  He has tried to convince MLBAM to include his system as part of the information they collect. 

This is not a technical problem.  It is a problem of economics and motivation.  MLBAM does not see itself as being in the business of collecting analysis quality data.  At least not yet.  Perhaps if the teams pressured them to collect this data, then they would make the changes necessary to do so.  That is, they would make the changes if the teams agreed to pay for the additional costs. 

This data will be collected eventually.  It is too important and valuable not to be.  But right now everything is in limbo waiting to see how the Field Fx system turns out.  MLBAM has said that a major revision of their data collection system will take place during this off season.  But they have also said that they are reluctant to pay for changes that would be made obsolete by an automated Field Fx system.  MLBAM has gradually been making improvements in how its data is collected at the minor league level.  One can only hope that they will see the wisdom of revamping their data collection system in such a way that analysis quality data can be collected at the minor league level where a complete Pitch/Hit/Field Fx system may not be available for years.


#2    Colin Wyers      (see all posts) 2010/10/26 (Tue) @ 13:52

You can watch Matt’s presentation at the last Pitch F/X Summit here:

http://baseball.sportvision.com/summit

(And a minor correction - Matt works for STATS, not MLBAM.)


#3    CircleChange11      (see all posts) 2010/10/26 (Tue) @ 15:05

I just love how SS start from shallow LF.

Most people have no idea just how hard a routine ground ball is hit at the MLB level.

A 3-hop grounder gets to that deep position in enough time to throw the runner out at 1B, where MLB speed and throwing strength likely cancel each other out.

I compare that to HS, where we encourage our SS to charge everything and try to field it on the grass if possible (shorter throw, pick your hop, etc).

It’s just amazing to me how hard and fast routine plays are in MLB. I suppose it’s the same aspect that people talk about the NFL, how fast everythging is compared even to the level just below it.


#4          (see all posts) 2010/10/26 (Tue) @ 20:45

I love this.  This is the data we beat ourselves up for not having when we were building our fielding system six years ago.


#5    Brian      (see all posts) 2010/10/27 (Wed) @ 23:02

Guys, what’s going on at Sportvision? The video is nice, but after two months still no presentation files. Thomas wrote on SABR-L back in August that his pitch was at http://whowins.com/wherefieldersfield201007.pdf, but still nothing at http://baseball.sportvision.com/summit/download. I saw parts of the webcast and was looking forward to looking over the presentations, but still nothing. Heat on Sportvision by MLB over the preliminary field f/x data? Brad Hawpe upset over Jeremy Greenhouse assessment of his fielding? Hmmm. Hmmm.


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