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Monday, February 08, 2010

Fangraphs now has some Splits data

By Tangotiger, 10:37 AM

Finally

Personally, I’d like to see each split data have its own subtab under the Career/Year tab.  If I’m interested in L/R splits, I’d like to see the STandard / Advanced / Batted Ball all together, not navigate through the other splits I don’t care about (at that moment).  Also, as more splits are added in (like men on base, role, park, etc), it just makes this more cloudy.  Basically, splits should extend horizontally (add more tabs) rather than vertically.

David’s taking suggestions, so post it here or there.

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I linked to Granderson’s splits, who has a .270 wOBA against LHP (685 PA) and .380 against RHP (2211 PA).  (If David wants to wow us, when he does his leaderboards, give us the “differential”, and also shows us the batter handedness on that table.) Andy said that for LHH, that you would regress the observed split (110 points in this case) 50% toward the mean if you had 1000 PA against LHP.  In this case, with 685 PA, you would regress 1000/(1000+685) or 60% toward the league observed splits for LHH, which I think is like 27 points. 

So, you regress 110 60% toward 27, or 110*.4 + 27*.6 = 60.  So, our estimate of Granderson’s handedness split is .060 in wOBA.  He’s a career .358 wOBA, with 24% PA against LHP.  We can reconfigure his observed split to be:
.358 = .24(x) + .76 (x+.060)

So, his LHP adjusted-observed split is .312 and his RHP split is 60 points higher or .372.  This is his observed baseline.  If he’s a true .350, as opposed to his observed career .358, you bring him down by 8 points on both sides.

In any case, with his excellent fielding, even his poor hitting against LHP means he’s an average player.  When you are an average player against the platoon, this is not really the kind of guy you need to be platooning.  (Unless of course you already have a good platoon partner, so you might as well take advantage when you can.)

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Here is Andre Ethier in high-leverage situations.  Dave in the THT Annual noted how Ethier had back-to-back years of great high-leverage performance.  We see that this can extend even to 2007.  Here are his wOBA in hi-lev, 2007-09: .403, .451, .454.  (Hi-Lev must be based on LI of at least 2.0, since we have about 10% of Ethier’s PA.  This is different from b-r.com’s hi-lev that uses LI of 1.5 or higher, which is about 20% of PAs.) Anyway, compare that to his overall career wOBA of .363.  His incredibly sucky hi-lev in his rookie year really drags down his career split in hi-lev.

Anyway, love this stuff.


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#1    Matt K. (d_f)      (see all posts) 2010/02/08 (Mon) @ 12:12

AAARRRRRRGHHHHHH!!!!

Thanks for “stealing” my FanGraphs posting for this afternoon, Tango! wink

I’m almost done with it and have to run, but now people will be able to judge how crappy mine is…


#2    Matt K. (d_f)      (see all posts) 2010/02/08 (Mon) @ 12:13

And, yes, Granderson was my prime example… luckily, my results are almost exactly the same.


#3    philosofool      (see all posts) 2010/02/08 (Mon) @ 18:17

"In any case, with his excellent fielding, even his poor hitting against LHP means he’s an average player.  When you are an average player against the platoon, this is not really the kind of guy you need to be platooning.  (Unless of course you already have a good platoon partner, so you might as well take advantage when you can.)”

Yeah, sure, but the best way to take advantage of a pair of such guys is to trade one.

Suppose you’ve got a pair of guys, each worth 3 WAR over a season with the platoon advantage and 1 WAR without the advantage. Each is a 4 WAR player. If you use them in a platoon, you get 6 WAR. But you could trade one player for 4 WAR worth of talent at a position where you have near replacement level players and there by add 4 WAR to the roster, for a net gain of 2 Wins. Granted, nothing is ever that perfectly efficient, but neither is the platoon, and you see my point.


#4    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/02/09 (Tue) @ 14:53

Dave shows what a 2nd-level look at splits data can get you:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/jered-weaver-and-splits/


#5    Anthony      (see all posts) 2010/02/28 (Sun) @ 08:50

From the just-released PECOTA cards, here’s Granderson’s projected splits (below the Ten-Year Forecast): http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota.beta/pecota.php?id=GRANDERSO19810316A

v. LHP: .200/.259/.301
v. RHP: .287/.368/.540

For his career, Granderson has hit .210/.270/.344 v. lefties and .292/.367/.528 v. righties.

The last three years he’s hit .202/.257/.309 v. lefties. With a 5/4/3 weighting then it’s .201/.256/.304.

So basically they’re projecting Granderson to hit lefties exactly the same as recent history without any regression. Seems even stranger when you consider the Comerica/Yankee Stadium park factors.


#6    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/02/28 (Sun) @ 10:34

The Book already describes the best method to establish a hitter’s true handedness split.  It is frankly the industry standard.

How Clay uses it, or doesn’t, has not been explained.  Again, until he does, you’re going to have to take whatever is published with whatever degree of skepticism you wish to confer.


#7    Sky      (see all posts) 2010/02/28 (Sun) @ 13:36

I’d like to encourage people to share their concerns and questions about PECOTA and BPro tools/processes in general over at BPro and in emails to authors.  One, it’s a more direct way to actually make thing happen.  Two, it raises the profile of the concern/question since BPro readers will see it.  Three, it will help prevent this site becoming known as a whining ground that’s anti-BPro.  The point isn’t to whine about things, it’s to make things happen.

Same goes for other sites, business, and products.


#8    tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/02/28 (Sun) @ 13:45

Sky, excellent suggestion.


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