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Thursday, July 24, 2008

Experience, schmexperience

By Tangotiger, 10:01 AM

Studes:

I’ve got a two-year WPA list for batters involved in pennant races, broken out by age and time period (before and during the pressure-filled months).

As you can guess, nothing there.  I have no doubt that there will be something there.  (For example, in The Book, I noted that there is an age effect with a runner on 1B.  Young hitters aren’t as smart in taking advantage of the hole.) However, whatever we find will be some isolated skillset, something that will be real, but in the grand scheme of things, it’s like finding a 50-foot tree in a forest of 30-foot trees.  So, yes, it’s something real, it’s something noticeable, but when you’ve got a forest full of 30-foot trees, if you happen to find a 50-foot tree, it’s not like you’ve found a forest of 50-foot trees.

I’m good at data entry with the numeric keypad.  Really really good.  Or was anyway at one point.  My fingers would fly over those numbers.  But, when it came to typing words, and using the letters on the keyboard, I’d be average.  If you gave me 20 papers to type, and 19 was for a lawyer and 1 was for an accountant, I’d fly on one of them.  But, if all I get to do is expose my real skill 5% of the time, then won’t it be really hard to find that skill if you have 100 people’s results to look at, and you didn’t realize, or think to realize, that one paper might be filled with numbers?  And even if you did think to find it, you realize, “eh… it’s real, but it comes to play so little… how the heck am I supposed to find it?”


#1    studes      (see all posts) 2008/07/24 (Thu) @ 11:09

Obviously agree that experience has an impact on performance.  But I’m not sure that experience improves performance in pennant pressure situations, even minutely.  My bias is that ability to perform well under pressure is primarily a personality trait that is well formed by the time a player reaches the majors.


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/07/24 (Thu) @ 11:24

As I often say, people are human, and so, we must expect some variation and some bias.  I think that if we accept that an 18yr old is better suited to handle pressure than a 14yr old, and a 22yr old is better suited than an 18yr old, then I don’t see much problem is extrapolating that out, even all the way to death (though not necessarily as a straight line).

(As a quasi-related example, a hitter’s and pitcher’s walk rate improve virtually every year until retirement.)

Countering the positive aspect of experience is that the older you get, the more your physical skills diminish.  So, even if older and more experience humans are better equipped to handle pressure, against that backdrop is the physical improvement that someone who is 25 will continue to exhibit every day against someone who is 35 who will continue to diminish in physical tools.

It’s certainly possible that the minute changes here are small enough that basically they will cancel themselves out.

Similar to what I was saying in the other thread from today about creating a baseball model, I think it’s fair to suggest all these parameters, and then it’s a question of trying to create a model that uses these parameters.

The only way to treat a baseball fan as an intelligent observer is to acknowledge that yes clutch hitting exists, yes clogging the bases is real, and yes experience matters.  And then show him how utterly little difference it makes.

Yes, the Padres, a team of humans, still have a chance to make the playoffs.  This is how much they have.

That’s our job here: to show the degree to which something exists or can exist.  Once you make the presentation, we can move on to something else, unless the reader is being a stubborn a$$.  And there’s nothing you do with those guys, other than ignore them as much as possible.


#3    studes      (see all posts) 2008/07/24 (Thu) @ 15:23

Once you make the presentation, we can move on to something else, unless the reader is being a stubborn a$$.  And there’s nothing you do with those guys, other than ignore them as much as possible.

I will not be ignored!

Seriously, that’s a good perspective, though it’s still fun to talk about whether things “exist” regardless of whether they show up in the stats.  Just maybe not on this blog…


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