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Wednesday, August 06, 2008

Expansion

By Tangotiger, 10:48 AM

Adding two teams will do nothing that you will notice, that’s for sure.  If you have 750 players in the league, adding the 751st to 800th best player will not affect anything you can notice.  Pretend that the average player has “4 units of talent”.  So that the average team has “100 units of talent”.  With 750 players in the league, you have “3000 units of talent”.  You add in 50 more players into the league each of which has 1 unit of talent.  Now you have 3050 units of talent, but spread over 32 teams.  The average team will now have 95 units of talent.  You are not really going to notice.  Not to mention that the number of US-born players playing in MLB since 1969 (24 teams) has not changed!  All the extra players are coming from abroad.  And they are holding their own.  So, in reality, adding 2 teams really means adding 50 more foreign players (Japan has lots of players I hear).  I’ll guarantee that if ever Japan/MLB can have a better transfer deal, you will get expansion in MLB.

Anyway, Maury talks about expansion, and I respond:


Maury, I’ll only comment on things I know.  In NJ, you should not use “Newark” as a stand-in for some NJ city, especially for household income.  You should choose a town in Morris or Union as something more representative.  And, they would certainly play in the new Giants/Jets Stadium.  Why wouldn’t they?  You give the Giants/Jets enough money (or the Sports Authority if it’s theirs) and they’ll make the modifications.

As for Montreal, is the Big O really down to 26,000 seats?  Did they make modifications?  Maybe they did.  But, if it’s down to 26,000, they’d almost certainly play in Molson Stadium (where the Alouettes play).  The best thing that ever happened to football in Montreal was U2 booking the Big O, forcing the Alouettes to find a new home for one game, and as it turns out, forever.  It’s incredible what happens when you put the stadium downtown, and limit the number of seats to drive up demand.

Finally, can you list all the cities in the US that have two major league teams (including MLS), but does not have a MLB team? 

#1    Maury      (see all posts) 2008/08/06 (Wed) @ 11:48

Hi Tom,

Good catch on my attendance figure gaff. The Big O’s seating capacity is 46,500 and I have updated.

On the New Meadowlands… Good idea, and a real possibility. On the household income… Went with what census had and easily available. Perfect? Of course not, it’s me. Exhaustive? Could have done more, but then there’s always “more”, right? grin


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/08/06 (Wed) @ 11:53

Maury, here you go:
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/34000.html


#3          (see all posts) 2008/08/06 (Wed) @ 12:18

But adding two teams would have the almost immeasurable benefit of not only allowing the NL/AL to have an equal number of teams, but also allow a more equitable split into divisions.  Can you say 4 divisions of 4 teams each in each league?  Enough with a 4 team ALW and a 6 team NLC.  It’s silly.


#4    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/08/06 (Wed) @ 12:27

8 divisions of 4 teams?  Sorry, but that can’t work.  Which two teams want to be in the same division as the Redsox and Yanks? 

For another way to create divisions, see here:
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/why_are_the_jays_in_the_same_division_as_the_orioles/


#5    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/08/06 (Wed) @ 14:55

Someone on Maury’s site commented on the possibility of a team in Cuba once America ends its (insert adjective) stance.

I had a vision of Bud Selig as Hyman Roth, sitting with the other MLB owners eating cake.


#6          (see all posts) 2008/08/06 (Wed) @ 15:15

Sure it could work, just add a wildcard slot.  I know it breaks with tradition yet more! but I say if it improves the competitiveness of the game, it’s a good thing.

And as for who would want to be with the Yanks/Sox, I’d say the Rays are doing just fine, wouldn’t you?

I’d also be fine with something closer to World Cup divisional play.


#7    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2008/08/06 (Wed) @ 15:47

Given the choice, other than maybe the Mets, I don’t see any team wanting to be in the division of Yanks/Sox.  Rays may be doing fine, but if they had the choice, they certainly would want to move out of that division tomorrow.  No question they’d trade places with the Marlins.


#8    KJOK      (see all posts) 2008/08/07 (Thu) @ 18:37

32 teams works better, but I don’t think you’d want 8 4-team divisions, as you’d have sub-.500 teams getting into the playoffs, and some really good teams left out.

I think you’d want 4 8-team divisions, 2 divisions in each league, with the Wild Card being the two teams with the best record that don’t win the division.


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