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Thursday, May 07, 2009

Evidence that Bud Black is a bad manager…

By , 06:25 PM

I have been calling for Bud Black’s firing for a while now (as if anyone cares, right?), if only because his team has stunningly underperformed their presumed/supposed talent so greatly over the last 2 years. 

I am fairly confident if you looked closely at his decisions that you would find that he is not a good manager, although you would never be able to find how and why his team has underperformed by double digit wins over the last 2 years or so (especially since most of that is probably just plain old bad luck - although you can never know of course).

Anyway, we had a thread about the Padres lineup and how batting Eckstein, who at this point in his career is one of the worst offensive players in baseball, 1 or 2, as he has done all year, probably costs about a win a year, which is not “wood.”

Today, I was listening to the game on the radio, and with runners on first and second, no outs, bottom of the 8th and a tie game, the announcers mentioned that the defense was really playing aggressively for a sac bunt and that it would be hard to execute it.  Now, while the decision to sac bunt or not in a sac bunt situation involves game theory, it is “modified game theory.” By that I mean that the offense gets to see how the defense is playing their hand before they make their decision.  That is a critical part of their decision-making process of course.  The defense is SUPPOSED to play somewhat agnostically so that it does not matter what the offense does - bunt or not.  However, if the defense does not, and plays either too aggressively for the bunt or for hitting away, the offense is now supposed to bunt or not bunt 100% of the time or at least some different percentages than if the defense were paying agnostically and perfectly according to game theory.

Of course, the defense may NOT play agnostically if they know or suspect that the opposing manager is “dumb” and will not play optimally, given the defense.  For example, if the defense knows that manager is going to bunt a lot (too much) even when they are playing aggressively for the bunt, then it is correct for them to play aggressively.  Likewise, if they know that the offense is NOT going to bunt (or bunt less often than they should) even if they are playing way back, then it is correct for them to play way back.

Anyway, although I was not watching the game today, only listening to it on radio, if the defense was in fact playing aggressively for the bunt (first and third charging hard, the “wheel play” on, etc.), OF COURSE it is a mistake for the offense to bunt!  You don’t have to be a genius I wouldn’t think to figure that out.  One, your success on the bunt is going to go down significantly, and two, when you hit away, you have all kinds of new holes on the infield.  Again, does not take a genius to realize that.  However, if you are a “chicken**it” manager, you might bunt anyway. I say that because sac bunting when it is not appropriate is a “chicken**it” strategy by a manager.  If it fails, he can blame it on the batter.  If he hits away and the batter makes a non-productive out or hits into a GDP, the manager gets criticized, post-hoc, for not bunting.

Anyway, you can guess the rest of the story.  Black calls for the bunt anyway, by a batter who is not fast (which is always a reason to tend to not bunt as I explain in painstaking detail in The Book), and the runner predictably gets thrown out at third (if there is more than a small chance of that occurring, of course the bunt was probably not correct in the first place).

Anyway, just a couple pieces of objective data that suggest that Black may not be a very good manager…


#1    Melvin Nieves      (see all posts) 2009/05/07 (Thu) @ 20:36

Hey MGL, in your first Bud Black thread, I criticized Black for batting Luis Rodriguez in the 2 hole. This was your response:

As far as who bats #2 in the order, I have shown time and time again, that without simming a batting order, or at the very least doing a Markov sim of a particular batting order, you cannot figure out in your head a good or bad order.  One, it is too complicated, and two, batting orders just don’t make much difference.

For example, numerous times analysts have complained about a poor OBP but fast guy batting leadoff (which many managers like to do, right?), yet when I run it through a sim, it is just fine or even optimal.  Probably one of the mistakes that analysts (and some fans like your self) make when criticizing or “analyzing” lineups in your head is not putting enough weight on or adequately considering running the bases (speed) and other nuances that go into a batting order.

I understand your point that I can’t be sure Rodriguez in the 2 hole is a sub-optimal strategy without running a sim. It seemed clear to me that a .300 wOBA at the top of an order isn’t right, but I get it now that even a decision that seemingly “obvious” needs to be confirmed via evidence.

I guess what I’m getting at, is if it was solely my failure to perform a sim before criticizing Rodriguez’s spot in the lineup the reason my criticism was dismissed?

Or could there be some other factor making Rodriguez’s .300 wOBA defensible yet Eckstein’s .310 wOBA is not? You suggested speed may be a factor, yet Luis Rodriguez has a total of 4 stolen bases (and was caught 3 times) in his career. I know stolen bases (or lack thereof) aren’t always indicative of speed (or lack thereof).

As I write this comment, I’m starting to realize that you were likely just trying to impart the importance of using evidence, and not defending Luis Rodriguez’s placement. I think the lesson for me is that the answer lies in the process, not the outcome.

Thanks.


#2    MGL      (see all posts) 2009/05/07 (Thu) @ 21:22

I did not know that batting Eckstein 1 or 2 was a “mistake” until I ran it in a sim.  Now, that being said, if you don’t have a sim, of course it is probably not correct to bat a low OBP guy 1 or 2, but it is by no means guaranteed.  That is all I meant.  Plus, as I have said many times, of all the things I would criticize a manager about, lineup is not high on the list, although I would expect my manager to understand the general principles of an optimal lineup and I would also expect him not to keep monkeying around with lineups based on who is “hot” or not or based on prior batter/pitcher performance, and I would expect him to keep his time spent worrying about lineups to a minimum. But how he ultimately puts together a lineup, as long as it is reasonable, which most are, I wouldn’t worry too much about.  In this case, I think it is just one small piece of evidence to suggest that despite his reputation and his countenance (he just LOOKS like a smart guy), Bud Black is not a good manager.

And again, most of the time I think that hiring and firing managers based on their team’s record is silly, in this case, his team has to vastly underperformed for whatever reason or no reason at all, you just HAVE to fire him.  I mean if any manager in the history of baseball ever gets fired for his team not living up to its supposed potential, doesn’t it HAVE to be Bud Black?


#3    Dackle      (see all posts) 2009/05/08 (Fri) @ 04:52

Then of course there was the time in September 2007 that Bud Black injured Milton Bradley’s (his own player’s) knee.

Padres left fielder Milton Bradley was ejected and then injured his right knee during a bizarre sequence in the eighth inning of Sunday’s game against Colorado.

Bradley reached on a two-out single, then said something to umpire Mike Winters. During the course of Kevin Kouzmanoff’s at-bat, it escalated into an argument and Padres manager Bud Black came running out.

Bradley went after Winters, was restrained by coach Bobby Meacham, then was ejected. Bradley continued to go after Winters. Black tried to restrain Bradley, grabbing him by the jersey and pushed him to the ground. Bradley grabbed his right knee and had to be helped off the field.

One batter later, Black ran onto the field after third-base umpire Hunter Wendelstedt called a check-swing strike on Adrian Gonzalez and was ejected.


#4    Xeifrank      (see all posts) 2009/05/08 (Fri) @ 11:15

Calling for the man to get fired a bit strong?  Glad you don’t analyze my job performance.
vr, Xei


#5    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2009/05/08 (Fri) @ 11:42

How about demoted to pitching or third base coach or AAA manager?


#6    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2009/05/08 (Fri) @ 11:45

Or required to get re-certification or job skills training, like the rest of us in corportate america?

It’s impressive how much sports gets a pass, because it is considered a child’s game.

If MLB managers would accept a different path to improving their skills, maybe they wouldn’t be so quick to be fired.


#7    Christian      (see all posts) 2009/05/08 (Fri) @ 12:42

I have not analyzed, but from just observation it seems to me that the Padres failure to meet expectations is largely related to poor timing.  Losing one day 1-0 and then next day 8-7.  Obviously if they score 7 runs in the first game and zero runs in the second game the outcome is a 1-1 record as opposed to 0-2.  Also you fail to note Blacks decision not to sacrifice against the dodgers in a tie game in the seventh last week and how that was criticized which I am sure played into his decision.


#8    Ray      (see all posts) 2009/05/10 (Sun) @ 00:33

How big is the difference between a player with a .323 wOBA and a .382 OBP and a player with a .312 wOBA and a .331 OBP?

I mean, there’s obvious a 11 point difference in their wOBA, but a 51 point difference in their OBP. Is the gap between the two players closer to 51 or closer to 11?

(i’m talking about luis and eckstein, so you know)


#9    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2009/05/10 (Sun) @ 08:14

wOBA is the measure you are interested in.

If you have someone with a .323 wOBA and .382 OBP, his SLG will be something like this:
.382 - .323 = .059

.059 / 1.8 = .033

.323 - .033 = .290

SLG = .290

But, it’s really irrelevant for the most part what his OBP and SLG is, since wOBA captures those two metric properly.

It’ll only play a part in batting order construction, and at that, the value of knowing OBP, SLG will be slight.


#10    Ray      (see all posts) 2009/05/10 (Sun) @ 14:23

But is there a situation where you overlook the SLG percentage and just see a player who can get on-base?


#11    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2009/05/10 (Sun) @ 19:10

Only if the bases are loaded, bottom of the 9th, and it’s a tie game.


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