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Thursday, July 21, 2011

Effect of foul area on strikeouts

By Tangotiger, 09:30 AM

Good stuff.

This analysis confirms a significant inverse correlation (more AF, fewer SO; less AF, more SO) between AF and SO, for the 3 time periods reported.  It reaffirms the previously-reported relationship identified in the AL 1964-68, as presented at SABR 40 .  Analysis of the effect of each square foot of foul territory on SO is currently in progress.  It is hypothesized that the Cleveland Indians pitching staff would have SO more hitters in 1964-68 had they not pitched 81 games yearly in Cleveland Municipal Stadium.

Basically, the true relationship is between foul area and foul-strikes.  If you have no foul territory, then those foul balls are out of play foul balls (and the at bat is extended).  If you have a huge foul territory, then those foul balls are in-play foul balls.  And if they are in-play, then they have a chance of ending the at bat “prematurely” (disproportionately early).

Strikeouts is what you use to infer this relationship.


#1          (see all posts) 2011/07/21 (Thu) @ 10:04

Isn’t this somewhat obvious?  Caught foul balls use up an out.  So, more caught foul balls means less everything else except caught foul balls.  Wouldn’t there also be a negative relationship between foul area and ... walks, singles, home runs, etc.?

Of course, the relationship would be stronger re: strikeouts, because a non-caught foul ball is often a strike.  But still.


#2          (see all posts) 2011/07/21 (Thu) @ 11:46

In play foul balls are counted for DER and BABIP.  If you have many more or less than average it would skew your numbers from the usual, so you would want to make a park adjustment to these stats and their components, as well as to K’s.


#3    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/07/21 (Thu) @ 12:04

Yes, the relationship is obvious, but not the degree of that relationship.  Which is really what the job of the saberist is about.

We all kinda know how things kinda sorta work.  And the saberist tries to get things in a more quantitative fashion.

We know that players get worse as they get older… but how much worse?  etc, etc…


#4          (see all posts) 2011/07/21 (Thu) @ 12:12

Tango/3: fair enough.


#5    MGL      (see all posts) 2011/07/21 (Thu) @ 14:23

What we might also want to know is the effect on all other events when a PA is not ended by a foul out.  In other words, if you are doing component park factors where the denominator is PA minus foul outs, how much are all the other components affected by the fact that there may be more or fewer strikes (depending on the size of the FT)?


#6    Tom Tomsick      (see all posts) 2011/08/22 (Mon) @ 19:06

Tom,
As an amateur statistician, writer, and ball-player, I’m glad to hear you buy in to the logic, as well as the analysis.  My real point in the whole matter was to support my hypothesis that the Inidans’ staff of 64-68, setting season and multi-season strikeout records, would have struck out even more hitters.  They might even stuill hold the single season record for SO, had they not pitched in 43,700 sq. ft.-foul-area Cleveland Municipal Stadium!  To get the rubber stamp from a card-carrying sabermetrician makes the effort worth while!


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