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Sunday, September 18, 2011

Do hitters and pitchers perform better during the day or at night?

By Tangotiger, 08:55 AM

All data from 1993-2010.

I look at each player’s game, and captured whether they were in the starting lineup or not, and which park they played in.  And of course, their wOBA.  I matched on those categories (starting or not, park), to make sure that the player pool was equally represented in day and night.  (That is, if Sosa had 1000 PA at Wrigley in the day and 2000 PA at Wrigley at night, then I counted Sosa with 1000 PA in each.)

For hitters in the starting lineup, their wOBA was .3429 in day and .3423 at night.  Basically, a match.  However, I then broke it down by “times through the order”.  And that’s where things became interesting.

Their 1st time through the order, it was 0.331 day, 0.335 night.  That difference, on 219239 matching PA, is 3.9 standard deviations from the mean.  The 3rd time (and later) through the order, it REVERSED, with 0.347 day, 0.344 night, or 4.0 standard deviations (going the other way).  If you think of day time as games playing from 13:00 to 16:00 and night as playing from 19:00 to 22:00, then it would seem that the optimal point to maximize offense is somewhere between 16:00 to 19:00.

Basically, the above data would be consistent with this idea.  If you peak at around 5 o’clock, then comparing your 1st time through the order performance (at 1 o’clock) in the day to 1st time through (at 7 o’clock) at night, we see an advantage for the night game.  However, your performance the 3rd and later time in the day (at 3 or 4 o’clock) to the same at night (at 9 or 10 o’clock) would give the advantage to the day.

Interestingly, for substitute players, we don’t see that!  The first time they come up, their day and night performances are a match (.305 in day and night).  This part makes sense, because they’d be playing at say 2 or 3 o’clock in the day and 8 or 9 o’clock at night.  Equidistant let’s say from 5 o’clock.  But, the 2nd and later time they come up, their performance in the day is .313 while it .329 at night, which is quite the reversal.  (Based on 4417 PA, which is 2.1 standard deviations from the mean, but in the reversed direction of the starting group.) Maybe these guys are subs for some particular reason, maybe they partied too hard, and didn’t recover for day games?  I dunno.

For pitchers, their performances are more consistent with the 5 o’clock theory.  Relievers, who would be pitching between 3 and 4 o’clock, perform with a wOBA of .328 in the day.  But at night, say after 9 o’clock, the wOBA drops to .324.  With 270287 PA, this is 3.7 standard deviations from the mean.

As a general rule, if you need to visualize it, your wOBA is going to peak at around 5 o’clock (maybe 6? someone else can figure it out), and the wOBA is going to drop by a point or two for each hour from that peak time.

This has some serious implication for the “times through the order” effect, and may provide partial explanation as for why starting pitchers perform as well as they do the 4th time through the order.


#1          (see all posts) 2011/09/18 (Sun) @ 09:35

I was always wondering if stadium shadows had any effects. The pitcher may not be in a shadow from the stadium, but the hitter is in the shadow.  Is there any differences considering the park?  Does the sample size get too small?


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/09/18 (Sun) @ 10:52

Right, I was thinking about the shadow effect.  The easy thing is to look at domes v non-domes, to control for that.

The other is for someone to flag each park as having a shadow effect or not for each park.  That would be a worthy addition to Kevin’s parks db.


#3    Lex Logan      (see all posts) 2011/09/18 (Sun) @ 13:15

Your 3.9 and 4.0 standard deviations appear to establish statistical significance—“too large an effect to believe it occurs by mere chance.” But what’s the practical effect? My back-of-the-envelope calculation says .004*9 (once through the order) = .036, or one more out every 28 games.


#4    Lex Logan      (see all posts) 2011/09/18 (Sun) @ 13:23

Some thoughts on time: high noon during the summer in Lexington, Kentucky occurs around 1:42 pm; Cincinnati is more or less due North so I assume it’s similar—daylight savings time and a location beyond the western extreme of what ought to be Eastern Time. Cities further East would have noon at an earlier time. So times aren’t completely comparable across cities; ideally you’d adjust times as relative to solar noon.

Also, a fair number of games start at 4 pm, basically stradling your peak time. The 5:00 theory would predict batters would do best in those games.

I don’t see any mention of starting pitchers—is this simply the reverse of the hitters?


#5    flex0us      (see all posts) 2011/09/18 (Sun) @ 13:48

I wonder if there would be any difference between back to back day games (saturday and sunday games) and games played in the day after a night game. Great stuff as always.


#6    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/09/18 (Sun) @ 14:09

Yes, starting pitchers would be reverse of hitters.

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Good point about the 16:00 starts.  I look forward to others to improve this study.

***

Yes, the .004 difference is highly statistically significant.  That by itself is worth pointing out, because you just don’t get 4 SD in many studies.

The practical implications is, for me, to better understand the times-thru-order effect, and not for it to be useful in some more practical sense.  After all, both teams play at the same time.


#7    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/09/18 (Sun) @ 14:21

And also for the SP v RP differences.


#8    Greg Rybarczyk      (see all posts) 2011/09/18 (Sun) @ 15:35

I haven’t got time to dig deep into this, but I suspect we are seeing something related to circadian rhythms.  Since the pitcher gets to decide what pitch to throw and (roughly) where, the improved reaction times for the hitter in late afternoon probably drive the effect…

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Biological_clock_human.svg


#9    Richard Bergstrom      (see all posts) 2011/09/19 (Mon) @ 10:11

I’m not sure if this can be measured, but could batting practice figure/pregame workouts figure into it? I know they say that hitters get tired during something as short as a home run derby so I wonder with evening games, if the extra workouts/batting practice/time in the gym/fielding drills exhaust a player more so that when they come around for their third or fourth at bat in a night game, they’re more physically tired. Maybe they even spend more time in the video room, wearing out their eyes sooner…


#10    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/09/19 (Mon) @ 10:27

Remember, it’s not the batter in isolation, but the batter v the pitcher.

So, in your case, you are arguing that a batter tires earlier than the pitcher.  That the pitcher may be more of a night owl.

I’d look at more at the environment (temperature, etc).


#11    Richard Bergstrom      (see all posts) 2011/09/19 (Mon) @ 13:26

I guess I am arguing (or at least, asking) about that. I believe (though I could be completely wrong) that pitchers don’t have a rigorous workout schedule on the day they start. Hence the idea of the starting pitcher being “fresh” or “rested”. Meanwhile, for a night game, a hitter might put in extra pre-game work that they generally wouldn’t for a day game.

But basically, I’m not arguing, just curious if pre-game workouts could be a factor. I also believe it’s possible that shadows or other things like temperatue could also be checked since its in many modern box scores. Perhaps, if it is time related, it might be similar to Josh Hamilton’s blue-eyes-cant-hit-during-the-day thing.. where late afternoon/early evening (or in Hollywood terms, the magic hour) become ideal hitting conditions… though I would guess if that was the case, you’d see the third/fourth time through the orders change based on the season/daylight savings time etc.


#12    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/09/19 (Mon) @ 14:14

Right, and I’m not disputing the possibility.  It could very well be we have a night owl issue here that could explain much.


#13          (see all posts) 2011/09/19 (Mon) @ 14:24

Travel effects.  Most day games are get-away, but there must be some day games after a night game with travel.  (Into Chicago to play the Cubs?)


#14    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/09/19 (Mon) @ 14:28

Again, the point here is if what you are finding is expected to have a disproportionate effect on the hitter or pitcher, because the data says there IS a disproportionate effect.

So, we need a reason for why something would affect the batter and pitcher disproportionately, or if it’s simply affecting the bat/ball.

We have a batter v pitcher issue here.


#15    Richard Bergstrom      (see all posts) 2011/09/19 (Mon) @ 18:42

Do extra inning games happen more frequently at night? Or extra-extra inning (12+ inning games) happen more frequently at night? Maybe my observation is wrong, but I can’t remember the last time a day game went over 12 innings and I presumed late night extra extra inning games ran so long because the batters on both teams were tired and having problems scoring runs. If there is some kind of circadian clock thing or some other factor that suggests offensive performance drops the farther it is from 6 o’clock ish, this might provide an extra explanation.


#16          (see all posts) 2011/09/19 (Mon) @ 19:42

Are there any stats we can use that would separate the pitchers from the hitters?  So that if one does better it won’t always show up as worse for the other.  For example, could we use a pitcher’s K% at each count, adjusted for quality of the batter, the score and the base-out situation, to get an idea of his ability at that time of day?


#17    Red Sox Talk      (see all posts) 2011/09/20 (Tue) @ 13:30

As far as times through the order, is there a way to control for pitch type selection? What I’ve heard is that pitchers tend to stick to their fastballs early on, then mix in their off-speed and breaking stuff later on, after the first at-bat. Just wondering what the effect of shadows and game lights are on pitch type recognition.

Maybe a simpler way to do this would be to look at wOBA by pitch type in the day and at night to see what happens.


#18          (see all posts) 2011/09/20 (Tue) @ 13:37

Thanks to the Dave’s at Fangraphs, they have let me ask out readers for any information on game time shadows.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/crowdsourcing-stadium-shadows/


#19    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/09/20 (Tue) @ 14:13

Fantastic, thanks.  Hopefully, the Fangraphs readers will respond with facts.


#20    Greg Rybarczyk      (see all posts) 2011/09/20 (Tue) @ 15:39

I’d recommend just going to Flickr or similar photo sites, search on the stadium name and “shadows”, and then see what you get.  They show the date the photo was taken, typically, which is helpful, and often you can infer the time from the start time of the game (Retrosheet) and what they are doing on the field (e.g. BP, just throwing, dragging the infield, throwing out first pitch, etc).  Even if you can’t be sure of the time of the photo, you can identify if shadows are a potential problem.

Fenway Park: (this one has the time, it’s specifically about the shadows)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/43289453@N03/4578285223/

Target Field:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/radran/4719236183/

Yankee Stadium:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wfyurasko/2771110264/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tratemark/285433513/

Citi Field:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gary_dunaier/3985376431/

U.S. Cellular Field
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40375323@N06/6080819695/

etc.


#21    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/09/20 (Tue) @ 15:44

Great idea.  I know I’m not going to do that work.  But, if someone else does it, I will incorporate those results into the studies I’ve been doing.


#22    Greg Rybarczyk      (see all posts) 2011/09/20 (Tue) @ 15:49

Incidentally, the Fenway Park one was taken by Jerry Reuss, the ex-MLB pitcher.  Check out his photostream there if you’re interested…

He’s really into ballpark photography, and has taken a ton of pictures of old ballparks from interesting angles he was able to access pre-game.  I have emailed with him about this, as some of his “peculiar” angles were exactly the sort of angle I needed to polish my ballpark diagrams… From my limited interaction with him, he seems a very nice guy.


#23    Richard Bergstrom      (see all posts) 2011/09/20 (Tue) @ 22:48

Stupid question, but I didn’t see it on wikipedia’s definition of wOBA. Does wOBA account for defense? If not, maybe it’s not really the hitter that is doing better, but fielders adjusting to the shadows/setting sun in their eyes and/or the stadium lights coming on.


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