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Monday, October 11, 2010

Did Cox make the right decisions in game 3?

By , 03:27 PM

If you are a Braves fan, you are justifiably emotional about last night’s game.

Here are the 3 major criticisms I have read:

1) Not pulling Conrad for Diory Hernandez in the 9th, for defensive purposes.

2) Kimbrel throwing a slider to Sanchez on the 1-2 count.

3) Choosing to bring in Dunn, the lefty reliever, to pitch to Huff, who has a higher BA against lefties this year.

OK, number one is a legitimate beef I think.  I do no know how good a defender Hernandez is.  I have a feeling that Cox never even thought of replacing Conrad in the 9th.  I don’t think any of the commentators did either.  No one remarked about it on TV that I remember.

Despite Conrad’s recent woes in the field, is he really that bad of a fielder?  According to Chone’s TZ for the minor leagues, he was a slightly below average defender at 2B. Now maybe, with all his miscues recently, he was nervous and thus a terrible fielder at the time.  I don’t know.  Only someone like Cox might know that.  And of course if Conrad is much the worse fielder, how much does that actually cost in terms of WE?

Number two is somewhat of a legitimate beef I think, although it is very much a 20-20 hindsight thing.  If Sanchez had gotten out on that slider, no one would have said a thing.  Plus, it was a little bit of a hanger.  Had Kimbrel thrown that down and away, like he wanted to, again, no one likely would have said a thing.  Yes, he has a good fastball, and yes, Sanchez had just swung at some fastballs out of the zone (and missed them badly), but is he supposed to throw all fastballs?  He has a good slider. If he had thrown a fastball right down the middle and Sanchez had gotten a hit, fans could easily have criticized him for throwing too many fastballs.  I did not think that the slider was a terrible pitch to throw in that situation. He obviously missed his location which can happen with any pitch.  I don’t think there is much of a legitimate criticism here.  A little maybe, as I said, but not a lot.

#3 is way off the mark, I think.  There are several reasons why.  First of all, despite the fact that Huff is hitting better versus lefties, BA-wise this year, all lefties batters have positive platoon splits.  Virtually no lefty batter has a reverse platoon split. In fact, if you look at Huff’s last 3 years, he has a 1.15 platoon ratio for OPS, and even a 1.08 ratio for BA.  If we go back 5 years, it is even higher than that.  So, the idea that Huff’s higher BA against lefties in 2010 means anything (predictive) is nonsense.

Now, when you bring in a same-side pitcher, it is not just the batter’s true platoon ratio that you care about, but the pitcher’s as well.  Let’s say that Huff had a 1.00 ratio or even a reverse one.  If you brought in a pitcher with a large platoon ration, it still might be correct.  The platoon ratio for a particular batter/pitcher matchup, like anything else, is roughly a log-5 (odds ratio) combination of the pitcher and batter’s ratio.

And obviously the overall true talent of the pitcher has to be considered as well. If you bring in an overall (much) worse pitcher just to get a platoon advantage, it still might not be correct, although when you bring in lefty against lefty, in most cases you gain so much from the platoon advantage that even a mediocre overall lefty becomes a very good pitcher when facing a lefty batter.

So what about Dunn?  What is his true platoon ratio?  In a small sample, his MLB career platoon (OPS against) splits are large - 1.29.

For all pitchers, I compute estimated platoon splits from their actual numbers in the majors and minors, regressed the appropriate amount, given the types of pitches (and frequencies) they throw.  For Dunn, I have that number at 1.27.  For Kimbrel, based on his minor league stats, I have that at 1.31 (mostly because he throws the 2 pitches with the highest platoon ratios - fastball and slider).  So it looks like Dunn is WAY the better choice for Huff than Kimbrel.  What about Moylan or Farnsworth?  Moylan is a siderarmer. He has an estimated true split of 1.41. And Farnsworth’s is 1.21, also a large platoon split, probably because he throws mostly fastballs I think.

Finally, I also, in my computations, estimate the average ERA that a reliever would have against RHB and LHB with average platoon splits:

Dunn

vs. RHB: 3.80
vs. LHB: 3.03

Kimbrel

vs. RHB: 2.91
vs. LHB: 3.75

Farnsworth

vs. RHB: 3.23
vs. LHB: 3.93

Moylan

vs. RHB: 3.51
vs. LHB: 4.86

So, it looks like Dunn was clearly the right choice, even if Huff had a slightly smaller platoon split than the average LHB (and there is not much evidence that that is the case - in fact, my estimated OPS true platoon split for him is quite high - 1.21 ).


#1    wcw      (see all posts) 2010/10/11 (Mon) @ 15:49

On #1, even Conrad probably makes the play, absent the ump’s slight screen and the ball’s being hit reasonably hard.  Sure, a better defender fields it.  The idea that a better defender needed to be inserted there is hindsight, just like #2.

On #2, as you note, sometimes pitchers miss location.  Had Romo’s 3-2 slider not been dead in the middle of the plate, the Braves are still down 1-0 and this is academic.

#3 I didn’t know.  I thought Kimbrel looked good, but I thought Dunn looked good, too.


#2    pm      (see all posts) 2010/10/11 (Mon) @ 16:18

"virtually no lefty batter has a reverse platoon split.”

You are wrong. Look at Brad Wilkerson or Nick Johnson’s career numbers vs. both Righties and lefties. They are better vs. LHP.


#3          (see all posts) 2010/10/11 (Mon) @ 16:27

pm, I’d look up the word “virtually”, and then consider whether or not 99% of something is “virtually” all of it.

It does seem to me in my observation that errors tend to cluster.  I.E. if a player makes an error, it seems as though odds are high that he will make another error or two within the same game or short stretch of games.  This would be real easy to test for someone who knows how (I think), but I’m unfortunately not that someone.

Point being though, I think I would have pulled him… his error rate has been horrible recently, and it’s not like it’s May and you can test him out for a few more games, get a little better sense of his true talent and/or nerves, and make a decision that pays for itself in the long term.  In the playoffs, you don’t really have the innings or balls in play to be testing things, so you regress the recent data and make the best decision you can.  And I think that decision is to swap him for a defensive replacement.


#4    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/10/11 (Mon) @ 16:39

Nick Johnson, career wOBA v LHP/RHP:
.384 / .372

That’s 815 PA against LHP.  The Book says you need to regress the observed split (-12 points) toward the population split (what is it, +27 points?) 50% if you have 1000 PA.  With only 815 PA, you need to regress 55%.  So, the -12 is regressed to +9.

A better example would have been Ichiro from a few years ago.  Ichiro (Table 68 in The Book) showed a -33 points reverse split (through 2004).  That, of course, is the observation.  The estimate of his true skill was +4.  I think he kept showing reverse splits through 2006 or 2007 until reversing himself.

Basically, be very careful in what you may see as something real, when it is not.

Anyway, Ichiro is now at -16 points of observed split, with 1951 PA against LHP.  So, we observe a greater split with far more PA than Nick Johnson.  We regress him only 34%, to put him at a -1 reverse split.  Ichiro, therefore, might be the only guy in baseball with a true reverse split.  But, Ichiro basically breaks every system we try to devise for him.  He’s the exception to the rule.

Nick Johnson and Wilkerson were ALSO in that table in The Book, by the way, so you are not telling us something new here.  At the time (through 2004 season), Nick Johnson was estimated at a true +21 split, and is now, based on my quick calc above, at +9.


#5          (see all posts) 2010/10/11 (Mon) @ 17:30

On 1) I think it would be extremely difficult to make a statistical argument either way.  Hernandez hasn’t taken a chance at second base this year, according to B-R.  The human element (nerves, etc.) probably overcomes any statistical differentiation at that point.  Cox wasn’t presented with obvious or even good choices; this wasn’t Stapleton or Buckner.

The more interesting hindsight question, made irrelevant by the events of the ninth, was the fat pitch thrown to Hinske with two strikes in the eighth.


#6    pm      (see all posts) 2010/10/11 (Mon) @ 17:43

Tango, what about Chase Utley and Kelly Johnson. They seem to show a reverse split.


#7    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/10/11 (Mon) @ 17:55

The data is at Fangraphs.  Follow the process I laid out, and you tell me…


#8    wcw      (see all posts) 2010/10/11 (Mon) @ 18:57

> hindsight question.. the fat pitch thrown to Hinske with two strikes

Missed location.  Put that thing at or just below the zone, and Hinske swings through it.  Romo missed.


#9    Hizouse      (see all posts) 2010/10/11 (Mon) @ 19:08

The idea that your best defense needs to be on the field in the 9th inning with a 1-run lead isn’t hindsight.

Not putting Diory in there meant that either (a) Bobby thought Conrad was a better defender than Diory, or (b) Bobby wanted to save Diory in case he needed him later (like he did when he pinch-ran David Ross for McCann when Diory was still available).

(b) is indefensible.  As far as (a), I know we shouldn’t put too much emphasis on recent events, but good golly, I was mortifed that Conrad was still in the game.  Diory doesn’t have a great defensive reputation, but he spent most of his minor (and major) league career at SS, so he can’t be that bad.  Diory has played 118 games at 2B in the minors, including 6 this year.  And even if you don’t trust him at 2B, you can put him at 3B and shift Infante to 2B (which was the IF alignment at the end of game 2, though Diory was replacing Glaus after Conrad had already been lifted). 

Infante’s versatility brings up another interesting possibility--based on matchups and pitching strategy for a particular batter, couldn’t you shift him between 2B and 3B, depending on where the batter is more likely to hit it?

Thanks, mgl, for running the numbers on Dunn vs. Kimbrel.  I had thought it was about a 50/50 call, one of your go-with-your-gut decisions.

Another criticism I’ve heard (from the person sitting next to me at the game, before it happened) was playing the IF in the 2d inning after the leadoff triple.  I know the Braves offense isn’t exactly hitting on all cylinders and there’s an extreme ground-baller on the mound, but I would’ve conceded that run.  Playing at normal depth would have made the play on the pop fly easier for Conrad.


#10    TCQ      (see all posts) 2010/10/11 (Mon) @ 19:19

My main issue w/r/t #3 is that Kimbrel has been ridiculously dominant in his MLB stint this year. Also, Mike Dunn sucks. I don’t particularly buy your numbers (MGL) for the respective pitchers, and given the sample sizes involved, well, I think reasonable people can disagree.


#11    MGL      (see all posts) 2010/10/11 (Mon) @ 21:19

Right, I meant virtually no LHB has a TRUE reverse platoon split.  Of course lots of players will have a sample reverse split, especially if they don’t have that many PA versus LHB.

If Ichiro is the only one with a reverse split, I think that constitutes “virtually no one.”

But, we certainly don’t know for sure about Ichiro, and we don’t know for sure about anyone really.  The idea of a lefty batter being more comfortable against LHP than RHP is just not credible anyway.

As far as Conrad dropping that pop fly, it was a tough play and a lot of OS would not have scored that as an error.  But, it was clearly Heyward’s play.  Heyward has done nothing this post-season.  He should have caught that pop fly, he made a bad throw on the hit by Huff (and could have tried to make a shoe string catch) and has looked terrible at the plate.

I don’t know why Bobby did not replace Conrad in the 9th.  Surely someone must have asked him in the post-game interview. Has anyone heard an explanation?  Did he perhaps not even think of it in all the hoopla and worrying about his pitching?  I think that is a possibility.  As I said, I never thought of it and neither did the TV commentators.

BTW, Conrad drops that ball and gets awarded an error. In the judgment of the OS, the runner at third would not have scored if he didn’t drop that ball.  Now the next batter, the pitcher, sac bunts the runner on first to second. Was that an earned run or not?  How do you go about figuring it out?


#12    NaOH      (see all posts) 2010/10/11 (Mon) @ 21:30

Cox was asked about the decision to leave Conrad in. He said he didn’t take him out because doing so would have used his last available position player (he also had a backup catcher on the bench).


#13    TCQ      (see all posts) 2010/10/11 (Mon) @ 21:38

Two caveats on Heyward: (1) he had just run into the wall and had had to take a long break directly before the Conrad play. It seems likely that he was still shaken up, particularly since he’s shown really good range throughout the season. (2) This ain’t exactly an informed opinion, but it really, really looks like Heyward’s thumb injury has popped back up and is hurting his batting.


#14          (see all posts) 2010/10/11 (Mon) @ 22:58

Related question on the Heyward play: why was he playing so deep? In that situation, you should play “no singles” defense as the marginal value of a single is very high there (compared to an “average” situation). Yet Heyward appeared to be, if anything, deeper than usual.


#15    MGL      (see all posts) 2010/10/12 (Tue) @ 00:12

Which play Phil?  On the Huff hit?  Runners on first and second, right?  Even though a double over his head scores 2 runs, I agree that the single and one run is relatively worse.  I am not sure some managers are smart enough to figure that out to be honest. I have always thought that Cox was a terrible strategic manager.

I know that Heyward was beat up on that triple and the announcers were saying that he would have caught that pop fly had he not been hurt.  But if he is too hurt to play, Cox should have taken him out. It’s not like he appears next to useless at the plate against a LHP.

Cox going out to the mound tonight and letting Lowe talk him into staying in the game was pathetic…


#16    kamiyu      (see all posts) 2010/10/12 (Tue) @ 02:10

Cox going out to the mound tonight and letting Lowe talk him into staying in the game was pathetic…

-> Can’t agree more. Lowe took 3days rest and pitched 90+balls. And it was 7th inning.(which means, batters faced him twice already.) There is no way you leave him on the mound in that situation. It’s just wrong.


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