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Monday, November 21, 2011

Did BPro change their WARP calculation?  Or, is Felix not a superstar pitcher?

By Tangotiger, 03:43 PM

My first indication is when I saw this:

PVORP    PWARP    WARP    NAME
58.3    6.2    6.7    Justin Verlander
56.9    6.1    7.3    Clayton Kershaw
53.4    5.7    5.5    Jered Weaver
50.5    5.4    6.2    Cliff Lee
45.4    4.8    4.8    Roy Halladay

Their PWARP and PVORP correspond.  But the WARP is completely different.  At first I thought it was an AL/NL thing, but then look at Lee/Halladay.  I then went to Felix’s page, and at the top it shows him with 3.2 WARP, but in the stat line it shows him with 2.8 WARP.  So, the 2011 calculation seems to have changed, and is not consistent on the player pages.

And even in his best seasons, he’s at only 3.4 and 2.9 WARP.  Heck, his Cy season of 2010 is only at 2.6 WARP. That got me to going to the 2010 report, his Cy Young year, and he comes in at #43.  Remember that his PECOTA forecast enterting 2011 had him with 7.0 WARP, with a 10th perecentile of 5.8. 

I can only presume that Felix has been awarded one mother of a park adjustment. 

While I am not a big looking at home/road splits at the seasonal level, I do like to look at them for longer careers.  Felix has started 101 games at home and 104 on the road.  His RA9 at home is 3.49, and on the road it’s 3.82.  That means he gives up 9.5% more runs on the road than at home.  However, the average H/R split is to give up 4.7 runs on the road and 4.3 runs at home, or a 9.2% split.  So, Felix’s personal H/R split matches the league-wide H/R split.

If it’s not a home/road adjustment, then I’d like to hear what the rationale in the changing interpretation of Felix’s outcome numbers, from superstar, to above average.


#1    Rally      (see all posts) 2011/11/21 (Mon) @ 16:35

What is the difference between PWARP and WARP?

My first guess is WARP includes pitcher hitting (relative to the average pitcher) and Kershaw and Lee both hit well last year and gain a few runs.

But that can’t explain Verlander going from 6.2 to 6.7.  He only hit 4 times last year, going 0-4 with 3 strikeouts.


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/11/21 (Mon) @ 16:42

Rally: that was my first thought as well.  The gap between Lee and Halladay is probably about 0.6 wins in batting, close enough to the 0.8 wins gap between WARP and PWARP.

But Verlander/Weaver have a 0.7 win gap, and obviously, that can’t be explained just by batting.


#3    Colin Wyers      (see all posts) 2011/11/21 (Mon) @ 17:03

WARP = PWARP + BWARP

Where BWARP includes batting, baserunning and fielding.

As far as why summary values at the top of the card differ from seasonal totals - I made some changes to how we calculate replacement level on our stats box, which is separate from our production box. Since this was the offseason, I didn’t expect anything to have to move from stats to production, so I thought it was safe to tinker there and then move things to production when I was ready to announce them formally. Well, values got moved over anyway. I’m working on an explanation of changes to our replacement level for pitching, and will have that out soon, I hope (some major publisher-directed deadlines are on my plate that have to come first, though).


#4    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/11/21 (Mon) @ 17:16

Ok, so batting and fielding can account for the differences, among those pitchers listed.  Three runs here, four runs there, etc.

***

Therefore, if we want to talk just about pitching, the focus should be on PWARP, and not WARP.

Felix in 2009 had a PWARP of 3.6, which puts him #15 in MLB.  In 2010, he was #43 in MLB at 2.4.

***

I took Felix’s 2010 Cy season, and sorted his starts by Game Score.  This is how he did in his 11 best starts:
91 IP, 7 runs, 16 walks, 103 strikeouts, 2 HR

This is Stephen Strasburg’s career to date:
92 IP, 30 runs, 19 walks, 116 strikeouts, 5 HR

I’m not sure we want to argue that Strasburg in his career was better than Felix’s 11 best starts in 2010.  Let’s say that they are comparable.

Stephen Strasburg in his 92 IP career has a PWARP of 2.8.

If we give Felix 2.4 PWARP for his 11 best starts in 2010 (i.e., when he was as good as Strasburg), then he had 0 WARP in his other 23 starts.

Anyway, something just doesn’t smell right.

Since Colin said he’ll do the write-up at some point, I can comment better at that point.


#5    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/11/21 (Mon) @ 17:42

Career-to-date:

PWARP
25 Verlander
22 Jered Weaver
16 Felix

Felix has better ERA and FIP than the other two, in their careers, as well as more IP.

What I did notice is that Felix’s FRA is 4.22, quite a bit above Weaver (3.70) and Verlander (3.86).

Presumably, PWARP is now based on FRA, and so, whatever issues / constraints / assumptions are based on FRA, that’ll permeate itself into PWARP.


#6    Elwin      (see all posts) 2011/11/21 (Mon) @ 20:06

Felix is also a ground ball pitcher. Maybe that has something to do with it?

Still, I have to agree that Felix being so low seems wrong.


#7    Darren      (see all posts) 2011/11/21 (Mon) @ 21:46

FRA makes an estimation of a pitchers groundouts and airouts, as BP will not use data from stringers (same as their fielding stats). I think on a team basis, the ‘groundball / flyball against’ projections are based on outrates per infielders vs outfielders. I could be wrong but the very good OF in Seattle may be understating Felix’s groundball tendencies, thus hurting his FRA. Im going to look into this further.


#8    tangotiger      (see all posts) 2011/11/21 (Mon) @ 23:36

Has FRA ever been tested?  And, has its bias ever been shown?


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