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Wednesday, October 28, 2009

DH advantage in the World Series?

By Tangotiger, 07:14 AM

Matt says:

In that case, the National League DH numbers may actually be overstating the ability of the player actually added to the lineup—but by how much, considering the poor performance of the actual DHs the NL teams used? This is clearly an advantage for the American League, but by how much of a margin? The difference is only about six runs over 119 games when you add it all up
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However, the AL pitchers are simply awful, as they have an EqA of .100 with a line of .098/.112/.121 in 145 PA, contrasted with the NL pitchers EqA of .159 with a line of .151/.197/.193 in 140 PA. National League pitchers are slightly better bunters in the Fall Classic as well, sacrificing 13 times to the junior circuit’s 11 times. In fact, the difference in this run total is about 11 runs over those 119 games as well

So, the AL benefits when the DH is in play by .05 runs per game, while the NL benefits when the DH is not in play by .10 runs per game.  All-in-all, the impact will be close enough to zero that this is not even an issue.


#1    Richard Gadsden      (see all posts) 2009/10/29 (Thu) @ 04:54

Why are we trying to answer this question from World Series-only data, and ignoring the vastly greater data from interleague games?


#2    MGL      (see all posts) 2009/10/29 (Thu) @ 05:11

I don’t see it as an interesting question either way, or at least relevant to this WS. If the Yankees happen to have a good DH and the Phillies don’t, then obviously it is an advantage to the Yankees.  Not all AL teams have good DH’s. Look at the putridness that SEA used for much of the season, with all due respect to Tango.  And some NL teams have a very good hitter on the bench that could be used as a DH.  If the LAD had made it, they would have used Thome at least versus a RHP.

So I don’t see how what has happened in the past WS or IL games has any relevance to this year’s WS.  In fact, it doesn’t, of course.  If you want to know who is going to be helped or hurt, just look at the players on NYY and PHI.


#3    Richard Gadsden      (see all posts) 2009/10/29 (Thu) @ 06:51

Clearly it’s not the right way to approach the question of how much this World Series will be affected by the presence or absence of the DH, but I suggest that it would be a good way to approach the question of how big the systematic advantage is to each team of playing by it’s own league’s rules.

Of course, there are three relevant respects in which the WS is different from the generality of IL games:

Firstly, the teams in the WS are better than average (which means they are more likely to have a good DH if AL, and more likely to have a good PH or platoon hitter they can use as a DH if NL).

Secondly, there are more rest days between games, which means that better starting pitchers are more likely to be involved.  I believe that there is a negative correlation between pitching quality and the pitcher’s hitting ability, though I stand to be corrected on that.  (ie starters in the WS are likely to be worse hitters on average than in normal IL games).

Thirdly, the games are managed differently; starters are used in relief, PH and PR are used more aggressively, more relievers are used.  I suspect that this overall means that pitchers are allowed to hit less frequently in NL parks.


#4    MGL      (see all posts) 2009/10/29 (Thu) @ 15:42

In general pitchers hit in low leverage situations.  Tango can address that I think.  So you have to be a little careful in assessing the value of pitcher hitting. I would suspect that the average leverage for an average pitcher PA would be on the order of .75.

“I believe that there is a negative correlation between pitching quality and the pitcher’s hitting ability...”

If that is true, I would think that it is a weak correlation.  Very weak.


#5    JD      (see all posts) 2009/10/29 (Thu) @ 17:26

Which league, in general, has the advantage has been something that’s bothered me for a while. So many people seem to think the AL obviously has it (NL apologists will cite this as the reason for AL IL superiority), but to me, the NL is the team that should benefit more. When you factor in AL pitchers, who the best NL bench player is, and the defensive improvements of NL teams (because the best bench player often will play a position, and some poor-fielding Adam Dunn type can move to DH), it’s just not logical that on the whole, the AL has the advantage in interleague games.


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