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Tuesday, August 31, 2010

Crowd has spoken: Crawford 5-6 yrs, 16-17MM a year

By Tangotiger, 02:21 PM

I love crowdsourcing because there’s so many smart people out there who know alot, and their voice drowns out those who don’t know much.  And the best part: if you disagree, you are automatically in the minority.

Dave is crowdsourcing the crowd as to Crawford’s likely contract signing (meaning what they predict he will get, not necessarily what he is actually worth). 

And, he notices what I’ve noticed any time I do these surveys: you don’t need alot of people. He said results stabilized after 25 votes.  And, you guys probably noticed that when I run my Polls around here, after 20-40 votes, results don’t change much.

That’s why for the Fans Scouting Report, we don’t need much participation.  Once I get 20 votes for any single player, I’m happy.  Indeed, even at 10-15 votes, that’s pretty good.  The reason is because we already kinda know the answer.  And after 15 votes, you get a very strong pull toward the consensus.

And, for this reason, something like Fans tracking plays (in parks that can’t afford FIELDf/x) would have great value.  You position 9 fans across the park, and get them to record what they see.  Rotate them every inning to account for potential bias.  See which fans are closest to consensus, and weight them heavier for the season.  Indeed, you won’t even need to download play by play, because those 9 fans can agree on what the various calls were.  9 fans x 81 home games x 30 teams x 50$ = one million dollars.  Call me crazy, but I think it’s worth a million bucks to 30 teams.


#1    Peter Jensen      (see all posts) 2010/08/31 (Tue) @ 14:58

You are crazy.  First, I am pretty sure that Sportvision would be pretty satisfied if every team was paying $35,000 a year for Field Fx.  Second, you must not have been paying close attention to the presentations on Saturday.  There is no way that an observer is going to be able to give accurate information on the positions of all 9 fielders plus the batter and runners throughout an entire play.  Without that you can’t assess routes to the ball (as John Walsh and Dave Allen did), or baserunner speed and acceleration (as Mike Fast did), or a continuous probability that a fielder will make a play (as Jeremy Greenhouse did).  And you have no hope of building a better fielding metric on objective data like the one that Greg Rybarczyk described.


#2    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/08/31 (Tue) @ 15:18

There is no way that an observer is going to be able to give accurate information on the positions of all 9 fielders plus the batter and runners throughout an entire play. 

That’s not what I was intending to say.  I was only talking about tracking batted balls, not to tracking players.

And, if you are saying that the cost of FIELDf/x is only 30K per team per year, then, yeah, I agree with you, I am crazy.  I was thinking the cost would be closer to a million bucks per team per year.


#3    Tangotiger      (see all posts) 2010/08/31 (Tue) @ 15:26

I should have said BATTEDBALLf/x, not FIELDf/x.  Sorry for the confusion.


#4    Peter Jensen      (see all posts) 2010/08/31 (Tue) @ 15:39

I have no knowledge of Sportvision’s marketing plans for Field Fx.  They may be asking a million a year for all I know.  You and I both know that it would be worth that amount for all the information that would be included.  But I have my doubts that the teams could be persuaded to part with that kind of money.  I was basing that sentence on what I have heard that the teams are currently willing to pay for PBP information from STATS and BIS plus integration software from BATS.

All the presentations on Saturday were done without batted ball landing locations or hang times, which Sportvision is still working to perfect.


#5    Rally      (see all posts) 2010/08/31 (Tue) @ 16:08

Are the presentations available on the web anywhere for those who missed it?


#6    John Walsh      (see all posts) 2010/08/31 (Tue) @ 17:29

Rally,

Monitor this page:

http://baseball.sportvision.com/summit/download

I think the presentations will appear at some point.  They were available there during the Summit.


#7    Erik      (see all posts) 2010/09/01 (Wed) @ 00:08

I, too, am anxious to see these presentations.

I am a bit disappointed that they are not up yet.


#8    Bacon      (see all posts) 2010/09/01 (Wed) @ 13:57

They said on SABR-L last week one of them is at whowins.com/wherefieldersfield201007.pdf but that one didnt use the Sportvision data. Maybe Sportvision changed their minds on releasing the presentations. I watched the webcast. Maybe Brad Hawpe called looking for that Jeremy =rasberry


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